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Telling words from a Maurice Strong interview in the 1990s transpire in 2008
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In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World
Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats,
CEOs and politicians gather "to address global issues."

Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. "What
if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal
risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?...

In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope
for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't
it our responsibility to bring this about?"

That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's words coming out. But
this is no fictitious Bond movie villain speaking - it is the man who
chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is Kofi Annan's senior adviser.

"This group of world leaders forms a secret society to bring about an
economic collapse," continued Strong, warming to his fantasy. "It's
February. They're all at Davos. These aren't terrorists.

"They're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the world's
commodities and stock markets. They've engineered, using their access
to stock markets and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they
prevent the world's stock markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They hire mercenaries who hold the leaders at Davos as hostage. The
markets can't close..."

Strong catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like
this."

But is fantasizing about holding the world hostage, like Dr. Evil in
an Austin Powers movie, any less strange than Strong's other solutions
to environmental problems?
In 1972, as Strong organized the first environmental conference for
the UN, he granted an interview to the BBC. "I am convinced the
prophets of doom have to be taken seriously," he said.


http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/GeneralForum/1115.shtml

An excerpt from the article: In 1990, Strong told a reporter a
fantasy scenario for the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos,
Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats, CEOs and politicians gather "to
address global issues." Strong, naturally, is on the board of the
World Economic Forum. "What if a small group of these world leaders
were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the
actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the
group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to
bring this about?" That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's
words coming out. But this is no fictitious Bond movie villain
speaking - it is the man who chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is
Kofi Annan's senior adviser. "This group of world leaders forms a
secret society to bring about an economic collapse," continued Strong,
warming to his fantasy. "It's February. They're all at Davos. These
aren't terrorists. "They're world leaders. They have positioned
themselves in the world's commodities and stock markets. They've
engineered, using their access to stock markets and computers and gold
supplies, a panic. Then, they prevent the world's stock markets from
closing. They jam the gears. They hire mercenaries who hold the
leaders at Davos as hostage. The markets can't close..." Strong
catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like this."

http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/mstrong2.htm


The Trilateral Commission recently published book, Beyond
Interdependence: The Meshing Of the WorId's Economy and the Earth's
Ecology. Rockefeller wrote the foreword and Maurice Strong wrote the
introduction, saying in part:

"This book couldn't appear at a better time, with the preparation for
the Earth Summit moving into gear... it will help guide decisions that
will literally determine the fate of the earth... Rio will have the
political capacity to produce the basic changes needed in our
international economic agendas and in our institutions of
governance."

Strong has established what could be the global headquarters for the
New Age movement in the San Luis Valley of Colorado at the foot of the
Sangre de Cristo Mountains near Crestone, Colorado. He and his
occultic wife, Hanne, call the Baca an international spiritual
community which they hope will serve as a model for the way the world
should be if humankind is to survive - a sort of United Nations of
religious beliefs. The Baca (as the center is called) is replete with
monasteries; the Haidakhrndi Universal Ashram, a Vedic temple where
devotees worship the Vedic mother goddess; amulet-carrying Native
American shamans; a $175,000 solar-powered Hindu temple; a mustard-
yellow tower called a ziggurat; a subterranean Zen Buddhist center
complete with a computer and organic gardens; a house full of
thousands of crystals; and even Shirley MacLaine and her New Age
followers.

In 1978, a mystic informed Hanne and Maurice Strong that "the Baca
would become the center for a new planetary order which would evolve
from the economic collapse and environmental catastrophes that would
sweep the globe in the years to come." The Strongs say they see the
Baca, which they call 'The Valley Of the Refuge Of World Truths '",as
the paradigm for the entire planet and say that the fate of the earth
is at stake. Shirley MacLaine agrees - her astrologer told her to move
to the Baca, and she did. She is building a New Age study center at
the Baca where people can take short week-long courses on the occult!
Apparently, the Kissingers, the Rockefellers, the McNamaras, the
Rothschild's, and other Establishment New World Order elitists all
agree as well, for they do their pilgrimage to the Baca - where
politics and the occult - the New World Order and the New Age - all
merge. Watch Maurice Strong and watch the Baca!

Much of the above information about the Strong and the Baca comes from
an interview entitled "The Wizard Of the Baca Grande," which Maurice
Strong conducted with WEST magazine of Alberta, Canada May 1990.
Strong concluded the interview with a thought provoking, apocalyptic
story from a novel he says he would like to write:
"Each year the World Economic Forum convenes in Davos, Switzerland.
Over a thousand CEOs, prime ministers, finance ministers, and leading
academics gather in February to attend meetings and set the economic
agendas for the year ahead.
What if a small group of these word leaders were to conclude that the
principle risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich
countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would
have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment.
Will they do it? Will the rich countries agree to reduce their impact
on the environment? Will they agree to save the earth?

The group's conclusion is 'no.' The rich countries won't do it. They
won't change. So, in order to save the planet, the group decides:
isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized
civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that
about?
This group of world leaders form a secret society to bring about a
world collapse. It's February. They're all at Davos. These aren't
terrorists - they're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in
the world's commodity and stock markets. They've engineered, using
their access to stock exchanges, and computers, and gold supplies, a
panic. Then they prevent the markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They have mercenaries who hold the rest of the world leaders at Davros
as hostage. The markets can't close. The rich countries...?" and
Strong makes a slight motion with his fingers as if he were flicking a
cigarette butt out of the window.
I sat there spellbound. This is not any story-teller talking. This is
Maurice Strong. He knows these world leaders. He is, in fact, co-
chairman of the Council of the World Economic Forum. He sits at the
fulcrum of power. He is in a position to do it.


http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/mstrong2.htm


from Donald McAlvany's book TOWARD A NEW WORLD ORDER
WHO IS MAURICE STRONG?
Maurice Strong is a man to watch!

The billionaire Canadian businessman is an employee of the United
Nations; an employee of the Rockefeller and Rothschild's trusts and
projects; a director of the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies;
the organiser of the first World Conference on the Environment in
1992; the founder and first head ofthe U.N. Environment Program; the
secretary general (and chief organizer) of the UNCED Earth Summit in
Rio in June 1992, and a leading socialist, environmentalist, New World
Order manipulator, occultist, and New Ager. In the mid-1980s, Strong
joined the World Commission on the Environment where he helped produce
the 1987 Brundtland Report widely believed to be the "incendiary"
which ignited the present "Green movement."

Strong, who spearheaded the Earth Summit, has complained that "the
United States is clearly the greatest risk to the world's ecological
health," and wrote in an UNCED report in August 1991 that:

"It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the
affluent middle-class... involving high meat intake, consumption of
large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, ownership of motor
vehicles, small electric appliances, home and work place air-
conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable... A shift is
necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmental damaging
consumption patterns."
Strong has forcefully advocated a new economic order based on the re-
distribution of the developed world's industries and wealth to the
Third World. Strong is indeed an arch socialist.

The Trilateral Commission recently published book, Beyond
Interdependence: The Meshing Of the WorId's Economy and the Earth's
Ecology. Rockefeller wrote the foreword and Maurice Strong wrote the
introduction, saying in part:

"This book couldn't appear at a better time, with the preparation for
the Earth Summit moving into gear... it will help guide decisions that
will literally determine the fate of the earth... Rio will have the
political capacity to produce the basic changes needed in our
international economic agendas and in our institutions of
governance."
Strong has established what could be the global headquarters for the
New Age movement in the San Luis Valley of Colorado at the foot of the
Sangre de Cristo Mountains near Crestone, Colorado. He and his
occultic wife, Hanne, call the Baca an international spiritual
community which they hope will serve as a model for the way the world
should be if humankind is to survive - a sort of United Nations of
religious beliefs. The Baca (as the center is called) is replete with
monasteries; the Haidakhrndi Universal Ashram, a Vedic temple where
devotees worship the Vedic mother goddess; amulet-carrying Native
American shamans; a $175,000 solar-powered Hindu temple; a mustard-
yellow tower called a ziggurat; a subterranean Zen Buddhist center
complete with a computer and organic gardens; a house full of
thousands of crystals; and even Shirley MacLaine and her New Age
followers.

In 1978, a mystic informed Hanne and Maurice Strong that "the Baca
would become the center for a new planetary order which would evolve
from the economic collapse and environmental catastrophes that would
sweep the globe in the years to come." The Strongs say they see the
Baca, which they call 'The Valley Of the Refuge Of World Truths '",as
the paradigm for the entire planet and say that the fate of the earth
is at stake. Shirley MacLaine agrees - her astrologer told her to move
to the Baca, and she did. She is building a New Age study center at
the Baca where people can take short week-long courses on the occult!
Apparently, the Kissingers, the Rockefellers, the McNamaras, the
Rothschild's, and other Establishment New World Order elitists all
agree as well, for they do their pilgrimage to the Baca - where
politics and the occult - the New World Order and the New Age - all
merge. Watch Maurice Strong and watch the Baca!

Much of the above information about the Strong and the Baca comes from
an interview entitled "The Wizard Of the Baca Grande," which Maurice
Strong conducted with WEST magazine of Alberta, Canada May 1990.
Strong concluded the interview with a thought provoking, apocalyptic
story from a novel he says he would like to write:
"Each year the World Economic Forum convenes in Davos, Switzerland.
Over a thousand CEOs, prime ministers, finance ministers, and leading
academics gather in February to attend meetings and set the economic
agendas for the year ahead.
What if a small group of these word leaders were to conclude that the
principle risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich
countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would
have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment.
Will they do it? Will the rich countries agree to reduce their impact
on the environment? Will they agree to save the earth?

The group's conclusion is 'no.' The rich countries won't do it. They
won't change. So, in order to save the planet, the group decides:
isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized
civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that
about?
This group of world leaders form a secret society to bring about a
world collapse. It's February. They're all at Davos. These aren't
terrorists - they're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in
the world's commodity and stock markets. They've engineered, using
their access to stock exchanges, and computers, and gold supplies, a
panic. Then they prevent the markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They have mercenaries who hold the rest of the world leaders at Davros
as hostage. The markets can't close. The rich countries...?" and
Strong makes a slight motion with his fingers as if he were flicking a
cigarette butt out of the window.

I sat there spellbound. This is not any story-teller talking. This is
Maurice Strong. He knows these world leaders. He is, in fact, co-
chairman of the Council of the World Economic Forum. He sits at the
fulcrum of power. He is in a position to do it.
The Earth Summit

"The Earth Summit must establish a whole new basis for relations
between rich and poor, North and South including a concerted attack on
poverty as a central priority for the 21st century. This is now as
imperative in terms of our environmental security as it is on moral
and humanitarian grounds. We owe at least this much to future
generations, from whom we have borrowed a fragile planet called
Earth."
-Maurice Strong

Billed as the "mother of all summits," with up to 40,000 government
officials and environmentalists from 167 countries in attendance, the
June 4-14 Earth Summit was the biggest gathering of world leaders ever
held. Described by Time magazine as a "New Age carnival," the summit
(and related activities) was attended by the Dalai Lama of Tibet,
thousands of New Agers and occultists (including John Denver and
Shirley MacLaine), numerous leftist groups, and virtually every
environmental group in the world - 7,892 non-governmental
organizations from 167 countries.

As the Wall Street Journal said: "The summit on Mother Nature was
asking: 'What is needed to save the world and how much is the world
willing to do to save itself?'" The Audubon Society called the Earth
Summit "the most important meeting in the history of mankind", and
Maurice Strong said at the opening session of the Summit:
"Nothing less than the fate of the planet is at stake... No place on
the planet can remain an island ofaffluence in a sea of misery...
We're either going to save Ihe world or no one will be saved. I think
we're at a real point of civilizalion change. We must, from here on
in, all go down the same path... There may not be another chance."
The Rocky Mountain News, in a May 31, 1992 article entitled "Agenda
For Rio: Save the Planet Earth," posed a question:

"Who is killing planet earth? Styrofoam-crushing, beef-eating,
gasoline-guzzling, air conditioner-blasting Americans and their
partners in the developed nations? Rain forest-razing, sewer-fouling,
baby-booming peasants of the Third World? Air-poisoning, river-
killing, radioactive waste-leaking, dirty coal-burning denizens of
formerly communist Eastern European countries? All of us are killing
planet earth! "

Many environmentalist leaders touted the summit as an ecological
Bretton Woods, just as world leaders crafted the post-World War II
international financial system in New Hampshire, the leaders of the
post-Cold War era would lay the foundations for the "era of
sustainable development." Lester Brown, president of Worldwatch
Institute, said: "I think when we look back we will see the Rio
conference as the event that marked the end of an era and the start of
a new one." "

The Goals Of the Rio Earth Summit

The June Earth Summit in Rio was not just about the pseudo-
environmental crisis; it was not just about clean air, clean water,
acid rain, global warming, or endangered species: it was about massive
wealth redistribution from the industrial countries (i.e., the North)
to the Third World countries (i.e., the South) - from the rich to the
poor countries. It was about massive global socialisn people control,
and world government. It was also an unprecedented global media
platform, for militant anti- American eco-propaganda with emotional
diatribes about America's alleged crimes against the global
environment.
The summit was concerned with writing a World Constitution which will
deal with ways and means of eliminating pollution; cutting down the
alleged "global warming"; cutting down on the emission of carbon
dioxide; stalling the rate of ozone depletion; adopting plans to
prevent overpopulation, acid rain, nuclear fallout, and to promote
clean water and clean air; and depriving landowners ofthe right to use
their land in any manner other than that permitted by UNCED or its
local or regional representative. Their broad goals include:
A Massive Global Wealth Redistribution Scheme - Maurice Strong and
other summit leaders are demanding a $625 billion a year (for a
decade) wealth transfer from the so-called wealthy countries
(epitomized by the U.S.) to the so-called poor countries-with $125
billion per year coming from America. The U.S. is being pushed to
contribute $70 billion per year to this Third World Green fund (this
is in addition to the $55 billion we already pour out annually to
developing nations).

Imposition Of a System Of Global Environmental Regulation - including
onerous taxes on energy fuels, and on the populations of the United
States and other industrialized nations. The developed countries
should limit production and consumption, and cut back dramatically on
the use of the automobile, electrical appliances, air conditioning,
etc. The same formula for "sacrifice by the rich nations to save the
planet" was summarized well some 12 years earlier by Kansas Senator
James P. Pearson, who said: "Profits must be cut, comforts reduced,
taxes raised, sacrifices endured."
Elimination Of Property, Hunger, and Disease In The Third World - Only
if these are eliminated, the environmentalists say, will the poor
Third Worlders stop polluting planet earth.

Establishment Of a Global Environmental Protection Agency - to
duplicate the efforts of the American EPA on a worldwide basis and
prosecute environmental crimes on a global basis.

Population Control - is high on the Green agenda, although the issue
was low-profiled at the Earth Summit. Strict population control is
high on the agenda of UNCED and the Green movement. As the Greens see
it, there are too many people on Mother Earth (and the 5.4 billion
will double in the next 10 to 15 years); the more people there are,
the more pollution there is; the more highly- developed the people
are, the more resources they consume. So, one of UNCED and the Greens'
chief goals is to restrict population growth by whatever means
possible. Biology professor Garrett Harden (an influential Green
spokesman) recently wrote:

"lt is a mistake to think that we can control the greed of mankind in
the long run by an appeal to conscience. . . . The only way we can
cherish and nurture other and more precious freedoms is by
relinguishing the freedom to breed, and that very soon."
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-11-30 07:53:34 UTC
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http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML/Maurice-Strong/article1.html
In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World
Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats,
CEOs and politicians gather "to address global issues."
Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. "What
if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal
risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?...
In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope
for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't
it our responsibility to bring this about?"
That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's words coming out. But
this is no fictitious Bond movie villain speaking - it is the man who
chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is Kofi Annan's senior adviser.
"This group of world leaders forms a secret society to bring about an
economic collapse," continued Strong, warming to his fantasy. "It's
February. They're all at Davos. These aren't terrorists.
"They're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the world's
commodities and stock markets. They've engineered, using their access
to stock markets and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they
prevent the world's stock markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They hire mercenaries who hold the leaders at Davos as hostage. The
markets can't close..."
Strong catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like
this."
But is fantasizing about holding the world hostage, like Dr. Evil in
an Austin Powers movie, any less strange than Strong's other solutions
to environmental problems?
In 1972, as Strong organized the first environmental conference for
the UN, he granted an interview to the BBC. "I am convinced the
prophets of doom have to be taken seriously," he said.
http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/GeneralForum/1115.shtml
An excerpt from the article:   In 1990, Strong told a reporter a
fantasy scenario for the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos,
Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats, CEOs and politicians gather "to
address global issues." Strong, naturally, is on the board of the
World Economic Forum. "What if a small group of these world leaders
were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the
actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the
group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to
bring this about?" That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's
words coming out. But this is no fictitious Bond movie villain
speaking - it is the man who chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is
Kofi Annan's senior adviser. "This group of world leaders forms a
secret society to bring about an economic collapse," continued Strong,
warming to his fantasy. "It's February. They're all at Davos. These
aren't terrorists. "They're world leaders. They have positioned
themselves in the world's commodities and stock markets. They've
engineered, using their access to stock markets and computers and gold
supplies, a panic. Then, they prevent the world's stock markets from
closing. They jam the gears. They hire mercenaries who hold the
leaders at Davos as hostage. The markets can't close..." Strong
catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like this."
http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/mstrong2.htm
The Trilateral Commission recently published book, Beyond
Interdependence: The Meshing Of the WorId's Economy and the Earth's
Ecology. Rockefeller wrote the foreword and Maurice Strong wrote the
"This book couldn't appear at a better time, with the preparation for
the Earth Summit moving into gear... it will help guide decisions that
will literally determine the fate of the earth... Rio will have the
political capacity to produce the basic changes needed in our
international economic agendas and in our institutions of
governance."
Strong has established what could be the global headquarters for the
New Age movement in the San Luis Valley of Colorado at the foot of the
Sangre de Cristo Mountains near Crestone, Colorado. He and his
occultic wife, Hanne, call the Baca an international spiritual
community which they hope will serve as a model for the way the world
should be if humankind is to survive - a sort of United Nations of
religious beliefs. The Baca (as the center is called) is replete with
monasteries; the Haidakhrndi Universal Ashram, a Vedic temple where
devotees worship the Vedic mother goddess; amulet-carrying Native
American shamans; a $175,000 solar-powered Hindu temple; a mustard-
yellow tower called a ziggurat; a subterranean Zen Buddhist center
complete with a computer and organic gardens; a house full of
thousands of crystals; and even Shirley MacLaine and her New Age
followers.
In 1978, a mystic informed Hanne and Maurice Strong that "the Baca
would become the center for a new planetary order which would evolve
from the economic collapse and environmental catastrophes that would
sweep the globe in the years to come." The Strongs say they see the
Baca, which they call 'The Valley Of the Refuge Of World Truths '",as
the paradigm for the entire planet and say that the fate of the earth
is at stake. Shirley MacLaine agrees - her astrologer told her to move
to the Baca, and she did. She is building a New Age study center at
the Baca where people can take short week-long courses on the occult!
Apparently, the Kissingers, the Rockefellers, the McNamaras, the
Rothschild's, and other Establishment New World Order elitists all
agree as well, for they do their pilgrimage to the Baca - where
politics and the occult - the New World Order and the New Age - all
merge. Watch Maurice Strong and watch the Baca!
Much of the above information about the Strong and the Baca comes from
an interview entitled "The Wizard Of the Baca Grande," which Maurice
Strong conducted with WEST magazine of Alberta, Canada May 1990.
Strong concluded the interview with a thought provoking, apocalyptic
"Each year the World Economic Forum convenes in Davos, Switzerland.
Over a thousand CEOs, prime ministers, finance ministers, and leading
academics gather in February to attend meetings and set the economic
agendas for the year ahead.
What if a small group of these word leaders were to conclude that the
principle risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich
countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would
have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment.
Will they do it? Will the rich countries agree to reduce their impact
on the environment? Will they agree to save the earth?
The group's conclusion is 'no.' The rich countries won't do it. They
isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized
civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that
about?
This group of world leaders form a secret society to bring about a
world collapse. It's February. They're all at Davos. These aren't
terrorists - they're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in
the world's commodity and stock markets. They've engineered, using
their access to stock exchanges, and computers, and gold supplies, a
panic. Then they prevent the markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They have mercenaries who hold the rest of the world leaders at Davros
as hostage. The markets can't close. The rich countries...?" and
Strong makes a slight motion with his fingers as if he were flicking a
cigarette butt out of the window.
I sat there spellbound. This is not any story-teller talking. This is
Maurice Strong. He knows these world leaders. He is, in fact, co-
chairman of the Council of the World Economic Forum. He sits at the
fulcrum of power. He is in a position to do it.
http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/mstrong2.htm
from Donald McAlvany's book TOWARD A NEW WORLD ORDER
WHO IS MAURICE STRONG?
Maurice Strong is a man to watch!
The billionaire Canadian businessman is an employee of the United
Nations; an employee of the Rockefeller and Rothschild's trusts and
projects; a director of the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies;
the organiser of the first World Conference on the Environment in
1992; the founder and first head ofthe U.N. Environment Program; the
secretary general (and chief organizer) of the UNCED Earth Summit in
Rio in June 1992, and a leading socialist, environmentalist, New World
Order manipulator, occultist, and New Ager. In the mid-1980s, Strong
joined the World Commission on the Environment where he helped produce
the 1987 Brundtland Report widely believed to be the "incendiary"
which ignited the present "Green movement."
Strong, who spearheaded the Earth Summit, has complained that "the
United States is clearly the greatest risk to the world's ecological
"It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the
affluent middle-class... involving high meat intake, consumption of
large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, ownership of motor
vehicles, small electric appliances, home and work place air-
conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable... A shift is
necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmental damaging
consumption patterns."
Strong has forcefully advocated a new economic order based on the re-
distribution of the developed world's industries and wealth to the
Third World. Strong is indeed an arch socialist.
The Trilateral Commission recently published book, Beyond
Interdependence: The Meshing Of the WorId's Economy and the Earth's
Ecology. Rockefeller wrote the foreword and Maurice Strong wrote the
"This book couldn't appear at a better time, with the preparation for
the Earth Summit moving into gear... it will help guide decisions that
will literally determine the fate of the earth... Rio will have the
political capacity to produce the basic changes needed in our
international economic agendas and in our institutions of
governance."
Strong has established what could be the global headquarters for the
New Age movement in the San Luis Valley of Colorado at the foot of the
Sangre de Cristo Mountains near Crestone, Colorado. He and his
occultic wife, Hanne, call the Baca an international spiritual
community which they hope will serve as a model for the way the world
should be if humankind is to survive - a sort of United Nations of
religious beliefs. The Baca (as the center is called) is replete with
monasteries; the Haidakhrndi Universal Ashram, a Vedic temple where
devotees worship the Vedic mother goddess; amulet-carrying Native
American shamans; a $175,000 solar-powered Hindu temple; a mustard-
yellow tower called a ziggurat; a subterranean Zen Buddhist center
complete with a computer and organic gardens; a house full of
thousands of crystals; and even Shirley MacLaine and her New Age
followers.
In 1978, a mystic informed Hanne and Maurice Strong that "the Baca
would become the center for a new planetary order which would evolve
from the economic collapse and environmental catastrophes that would
sweep the globe in the years to come." The Strongs say they see the
Baca, which they call 'The Valley Of the Refuge Of World Truths '",as
the paradigm for the entire planet and say that the fate of the earth
is at stake. Shirley MacLaine agrees - her astrologer told her to move
to the Baca, and she did. She is building a New Age study center at
the Baca where people can take short week-long courses on the occult!
Apparently, the Kissingers, the Rockefellers, the McNamaras, the
Rothschild's, and other Establishment New World Order elitists all
agree as well, for they do their pilgrimage to the Baca - where
politics and the occult - the New World Order and the New Age - all
merge. Watch Maurice Strong and watch the Baca!
Much of the above information about the Strong and the Baca comes from
an interview entitled "The Wizard Of the Baca Grande," which Maurice
Strong conducted with WEST magazine of Alberta, Canada May 1990.
Strong concluded the interview with a thought provoking, apocalyptic
"Each year the World Economic Forum convenes in Davos, Switzerland.
Over a thousand CEOs, prime ministers, finance ministers, and leading
academics gather in February to attend meetings and set the economic
agendas for the year ahead.
What if a small group of these word leaders were to conclude that the
principle risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich
countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would
have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment.
Will they do it? Will the rich countries agree to reduce their impact
on the environment? Will they agree to save the earth?
The group's conclusion is 'no.' The rich countries won't do it. They
isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized
civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that
about?
This group of world leaders form a secret society to bring about a
world collapse. It's February. They're all at Davos. These aren't
terrorists - they're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in
the world's commodity and stock markets. They've engineered, using
their access to stock exchanges, and computers, and gold supplies, a
panic. Then they prevent the markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They have mercenaries who hold the rest of the world leaders at Davros
as hostage. The markets can't close. The rich countries...?" and
Strong makes a slight motion with his fingers as if he were flicking a
cigarette butt out of the window.
I sat there spellbound. This is not any story-teller talking. This is
Maurice Strong. He knows these world leaders. He is, in fact, co-
chairman of the Council of the World Economic Forum. He sits at the
fulcrum of power. He is in a position to do it.
The Earth Summit
"The Earth Summit must establish a whole new basis for relations
between rich and poor, North and South including a concerted attack on
poverty as a central priority for the 21st century. This is now as
imperative in terms of our environmental security as it is on moral
and humanitarian grounds. We owe at least this much to future
generations, from whom we have borrowed a fragile planet called
Earth."
-Maurice Strong
Billed as the "mother of all summits," with up to 40,000 government
officials and environmentalists from 167 countries in attendance, the
June 4-14 Earth Summit was the biggest gathering of world leaders ever
held. Described by Time magazine as a "New Age carnival," the summit
(and related activities) was attended by the Dalai Lama of Tibet,
thousands of New Agers and occultists (including John Denver and
Shirley MacLaine), numerous leftist groups, and virtually every
environmental group in the world - 7,892 non-governmental
organizations from 167 countries.
As the Wall Street Journal said: "The summit on Mother Nature was
asking: 'What is needed to save the world and how much is the world
willing to do to save itself?'" The Audubon Society called the Earth
Summit "the most important meeting in the history of mankind", and
"Nothing less than the fate of the planet is at stake... No place on
the planet can remain an island ofaffluence in a sea of misery...
We're either going to save Ihe world or no one will be saved. I think
we're at a real point of civilizalion change. We must, from here on
in, all go down the same path... There may not be another chance."
The Rocky Mountain News, in a May 31, 1992 article entitled "Agenda
"Who is killing planet earth? Styrofoam-crushing, beef-eating,
gasoline-guzzling, air conditioner-blasting Americans and their
partners in the developed nations? Rain forest-razing, sewer-fouling,
baby-booming peasants of the Third World? Air-poisoning, river-
killing, radioactive waste-leaking, dirty coal-burning denizens of
formerly communist Eastern European countries? All of us are killing
planet earth! "
Many environmentalist leaders touted the summit as an ecological
Bretton Woods, just as world leaders crafted the post-World War II
international financial system in New Hampshire, the leaders of the
post-Cold War era would lay the foundations for the "era of
sustainable development." Lester Brown, president of Worldwatch
Institute, said: "I think when we look back we will see the Rio
conference as the event that marked the end of an era and the start of
a new one." "
The Goals Of the Rio Earth Summit
The June Earth Summit in Rio was not just about the pseudo-
environmental crisis; it was not just about clean air, clean water,
acid rain, global warming, or endangered species: it was about massive
wealth redistribution from the industrial countries (i.e., the North)
to the Third World countries (i.e., the South) - from the rich to the
poor countries. It was about massive global socialisn people control,
and world government. It was also an unprecedented global media
platform, for militant anti- American eco-propaganda with emotional
diatribes about America's alleged crimes against the global
environment.
The summit was concerned with writing a World Constitution which will
deal with ways and means of eliminating pollution; cutting down the
alleged "global warming"; cutting down on the emission of carbon
dioxide; stalling the rate of ozone depletion; adopting plans to
prevent overpopulation, acid rain, nuclear fallout, and to promote
clean water and clean air; and depriving landowners ofthe right to use
their land in any manner other than that permitted by UNCED or its
A Massive Global Wealth Redistribution Scheme - Maurice Strong and
other summit leaders are demanding a $625 billion a year (for a
decade) wealth transfer from the so-called wealthy countries
(epitomized by the U.S.) to the so-called poor countries-with $125
billion per year coming from America. The U.S. is being pushed to
contribute $70 billion per year to this Third World Green fund (this
is in addition to the $55 billion we already pour out annually to
developing nations).
Imposition Of a System Of Global Environmental Regulation - including
onerous taxes on energy fuels, and on the populations of the United
States and other industrialized nations. The developed countries
should limit production and consumption, and cut back dramatically on
the use of the automobile, electrical appliances, air conditioning,
etc. The same formula for "sacrifice by the rich nations to save the
planet" was summarized well some 12 years earlier by Kansas Senator
James P. Pearson, who said: "Profits must be cut, comforts reduced,
taxes raised, sacrifices endured."
Elimination Of Property, Hunger, and Disease In The Third World - Only
if these are eliminated, the environmentalists say, will the poor
Third Worlders stop polluting planet earth.
Establishment Of a Global Environmental Protection Agency - to
duplicate the efforts of the American EPA on a worldwide basis and
prosecute environmental crimes on a global basis.
Population Control - is high on the Green agenda, although the issue
was low-profiled at the Earth Summit. Strict population control is
high on the agenda of UNCED and the Green movement. As the Greens see
it, there are too many people on Mother Earth (and the 5.4 billion
will double in the next 10 to 15 years); the more people there are,
the more pollution there is; the more highly- developed the people
are, the more resources they consume. So, one of UNCED and the Greens'
chief goals is to restrict population growth by whatever means
possible. Biology professor Garrett Harden (an influential Green
"lt is a mistake to think that we can control the greed of mankind in
the long run by an appeal to conscience. . . . The only way we can
cherish and nurture other and more precious freedoms is by
relinguishing the freedom to breed, and that very soon."
All Bad
2008-11-30 15:24:19 UTC
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That explains the confusion; the Strongs are Baca'is!
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML/Maurice-Strong/article1.html
(snip)
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Strong has established what could be the global headquarters for the
New Age movement in the San Luis Valley of Colorado at the foot of the
Sangre de Cristo Mountains near Crestone, Colorado. He and his
occultic wife, Hanne, call the Baca an international spiritual
community which they hope will serve as a model for the way the world
should be if humankind is to survive - a sort of United Nations of
religious beliefs. The Baca (as the center is called) is replete with
monasteries; the Haidakhrndi Universal Ashram, a Vedic temple where
devotees worship the Vedic mother goddess; amulet-carrying Native
American shamans; a $175,000 solar-powered Hindu temple; a mustard-
yellow tower called a ziggurat; a subterranean Zen Buddhist center
complete with a computer and organic gardens; a house full of
thousands of crystals; and even Shirley MacLaine and her New Age
followers.
In 1978, a mystic informed Hanne and Maurice Strong that "the Baca
would become the center for a new planetary order which would evolve
from the economic collapse and environmental catastrophes that would
sweep the globe in the years to come." The Strongs say they see the
Baca, which they call 'The Valley Of the Refuge Of World Truths '",as
the paradigm for the entire planet and say that the fate of the earth
is at stake. Shirley MacLaine agrees - her astrologer told her to move
to the Baca, and she did. She is building a New Age study center at
the Baca where people can take short week-long courses on the occult!
Apparently, the Kissingers, the Rockefellers, the McNamaras, the
Rothschild's, and other Establishment New World Order elitists all
agree as well, for they do their pilgrimage to the Baca - where
politics and the occult - the New World Order and the New Age - all
merge. Watch Maurice Strong and watch the Baca!
Much of the above information about the Strong and the Baca comes from
an interview entitled "The Wizard Of the Baca Grande," which Maurice
Strong conducted with WEST magazine of Alberta, Canada May 1990.
(snip)

- All Bad
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-01 00:49:30 UTC
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Post by All Bad
That explains the confusion; the Strongs are Baca'is!
Indeed
http://www.onecountry.org/e114/e11414ac_ECLaunch.htm

Peter Adriance, head of the DC Communications Office of the US NSA,
posing with the devil.

W
All Bad
2008-12-01 01:03:05 UTC
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Is Wangari MAathi, who is pictured with Strong and Adriance, a Baca'i, like
Strong, a Baha'i, like Adriance, or indeterminate, because people can and do
speak and get photographed with people of different religions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wangari_Maathai

- All Bad
Post by All Bad
That explains the confusion; the Strongs are Baca'is!
Indeed
http://www.onecountry.org/e114/e11414ac_ECLaunch.htm

Peter Adriance, head of the DC Communications Office of the US NSA,
posing with the devil.

W
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-01 04:10:02 UTC
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Post by All Bad
Is Wangari MAathi, who is pictured with Strong and Adriance, a Baca'i, like
Strong, a
Dunno, don't care and not relevant. But there is Peter Adriance -
present Communications Head of the Washington DC sub-branch of the
External Affairs committee - arm in arm with Strong:
http://www.onecountry.org/e114/e11414ac_ECLaunch.htm


BTW would you care to explain how it is that Maurice sits on the board
of a Chinese branch of a corporate subsidiary which is a financial
contributor to the Tahirih Justice Center?

While you're at it, could you explain how Baha'is - who claim not to
involve themselves in partisan politics - get to be the primary
lobbyists for IMBRA??



http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML/Maurice-Strong/article1.html

In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World
Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats,
CEOs and politicians gather "to address global issues."


Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. "What
if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the
principal
risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?...


In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope
for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't
it our responsibility to bring this about?"


That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's words coming out. But
this is no fictitious Bond movie villain speaking - it is the man who
chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is Kofi Annan's senior adviser.


"This group of world leaders forms a secret society to bring about an
economic collapse," continued Strong, warming to his fantasy. "It's
February. They're all at Davos. These aren't terrorists.


"They're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the
world's
commodities and stock markets. They've engineered, using their access
to stock markets and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they
prevent the world's stock markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They hire mercenaries who hold the leaders at Davos as hostage. The
markets can't close..."


Strong catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like
this."


But is fantasizing about holding the world hostage, like Dr. Evil in
an Austin Powers movie, any less strange than Strong's other
solutions
to environmental problems?
In 1972, as Strong organized the first environmental conference for
the UN, he granted an interview to the BBC. "I am convinced the
prophets of doom have to be taken seriously," he said.
All Bad
2008-12-01 12:17:17 UTC
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Post by All Bad
Is Wangari MAathi, who is pictured with Strong and Adriance, a Baca'i, like
Strong, a
Dunno, don't care and not relevant. But there is Peter Adriance -
present Communications Head of the Washington DC sub-branch of the
External Affairs committee - arm in arm with Strong:
http://www.onecountry.org/e114/e11414ac_ECLaunch.htm


BTW would you care to explain how it is that Maurice sits on the board
of a Chinese branch of a corporate subsidiary which is a financial
contributor to the Tahirih Justice Center?

AB:
I don't care why TJC has a Chinese company contributing to it I don't even
know that that is even happening.

While you're at it, could you explain how Baha'is - who claim not to
involve themselves in partisan politics - get to be the primary
lobbyists for IMBRA??

AB:
IMBRA being a restriction against trafficking in persons, I can only guess
at the partisan implications. What political party is supporting
unrestricted international marriage brokering?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Marriage_Broker_Regulation_Act

AB:
So, you have mail-order-bride on the mind disorder now, too?

- All Bad

http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML/Maurice-Strong/article1.html

In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World
Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats,
CEOs and politicians gather "to address global issues."


Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. "What
if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the
principal
risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?...


In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope
for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't
it our responsibility to bring this about?"


That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's words coming out. But
this is no fictitious Bond movie villain speaking - it is the man who
chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is Kofi Annan's senior adviser.


"This group of world leaders forms a secret society to bring about an
economic collapse," continued Strong, warming to his fantasy. "It's
February. They're all at Davos. These aren't terrorists.


"They're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the
world's
commodities and stock markets. They've engineered, using their access
to stock markets and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they
prevent the world's stock markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They hire mercenaries who hold the leaders at Davos as hostage. The
markets can't close..."


Strong catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like
this."


But is fantasizing about holding the world hostage, like Dr. Evil in
an Austin Powers movie, any less strange than Strong's other
solutions
to environmental problems?
In 1972, as Strong organized the first environmental conference for
the UN, he granted an interview to the BBC. "I am convinced the
prophets of doom have to be taken seriously," he said.
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-02 05:44:15 UTC
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I don't care why TJC has a Chinese company contributing to it  I don't even
know that that is even happening.
See no evil, hear no evil, the motto of the bahaim IT commitee. If you
don't know, don't comment, or appraise yourself.

<snip>
IMBRA being a restriction against trafficking in persons, I can only guess
at the partisan implications.  What political party is supporting
unrestricted international marriage brokering?
Which does not include corporate players such as match.com. It appears
that there is corporare nepotism at work in the specifics of this
legislation. Bigger dating/marriage broker companies use organizations
such as the TJC to lobby for legislation under the umbrella of a just
cause while only instancing small groups and syndicates whilst the
bigger corporations doing the same do not get sidelined or mentioned
in the legislation, and keep operating as before. Meanwhile board
members of the TJC get to invest or otherwise sit on boards of
companies such as match.com. An all-time AmeriKKKan corporate racket
if there ever was.

Sounds like typical bahaim modus operandi here. Governments, agendas
and think-tanks who want to strong arm governments in Egypt or Iran
get the bahaim to wolf cry about (exagerrated) human rights abuses in
order set-up arms contractors and Halliburtons for lucrative deals if
war breaks out.

That said, the only recent photograph of Maurice Strong is one
appearing on a bahaim site with Peter Adriance, a member of the ao-
hole establishment in the USA.

W
All Bad
2008-12-02 11:44:56 UTC
Permalink
I don't care why TJC has a Chinese company contributing to it I don't even
know that that is even happening.
See no evil, hear no evil, the motto of the bahaim IT commitee. If you
don't know, don't comment, or appraise yourself.

AB:

Accuse, accuse, accuse. Just because you say something is so, it only means
that you said it; it does not mean it is so.

<snip>
IMBRA being a restriction against trafficking in persons, I can only guess
at the partisan implications. What political party is supporting
unrestricted international marriage brokering?
Which does not include corporate players such as match.com. It appears
that there is corporare nepotism at work in the specifics of this
legislation. Bigger dating/marriage broker companies use organizations
such as the TJC to lobby for legislation under the umbrella of a just
cause while only instancing small groups and syndicates whilst the
bigger corporations doing the same do not get sidelined or mentioned
in the legislation, and keep operating as before. Meanwhile board
members of the TJC get to invest or otherwise sit on boards of
companies such as match.com. An all-time AmeriKKKan corporate racket
if there ever was.

AB:
Could you put _underscores_ by your answer: Green, Libertarian, Communist,
Labor, Social Democrat, Democrat, Christian Democrat, Republican, etc.

Sounds like typical bahaim modus operandi here. Governments, agendas
and think-tanks who want to strong arm governments in Egypt or Iran
get the bahaim to wolf cry about (exagerrated) human rights abuses in
order set-up arms contractors and Halliburtons for lucrative deals if
war breaks out.

AB:
Sure, you say there is partisan politics agitating to regulate the mail
order bride industry and I can't figure out what political party is standing
up for the mail order bride industry, and I've asked, and you won't tell me.
That would be W. Azal modus operandi: accuse, accuse accuse.

- All Bad

That said, the only recent photograph of Maurice Strong is one
appearing on a bahaim site with Peter Adriance, a member of the ao-
hole establishment in the USA.

W
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-03 00:23:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by All Bad
Sure, you say there is partisan politics agitating to regulate the mail
order bride industry and I can't figure out what political party is standing
up for the mail order bride industry, and I've asked, and you won't tell me.
You tell why the big dot.com corporate players, such as match.com and
similar, have specifically been excluded from the IMBRA legislation,
and I'll tell you what you want. You cultists lobby under various
guises whilst serving big corporate masters/think-tanks out to
sideline smaller players from the market or start wars in the Middle
East/topple governments. A credible IMBRA legislation worth its salt
would've criminalized the entire "pen-pal" and "marriage brokering"
industry across the board without exception. Because subsidiaries of
big corporate players such as match.com are actual financial
contributors to the Tahirih Justice Center, it is not they who get the
axe, but the small business "marriage brokering" companies in the
smaller countries. Using "progressive" agendas to advance the cause of
multinational corporations in pursuit of destroying local industries
in foreign countries is one of the oldest imperialist tricks in the
book. Inteterstingly enough, albeit not surprisingly, it is you bahaim
who are being used as the lobbying tool to implement such big money
Anglo-American corporate/political interests throughout the Global
South.

We will see how this all plays out, but thankfully the Tahirih Justice
Center and the Haifan Bahaim cult have made some very determined
enemies in the United States out to draw blood, which I am confident
they will
Post by All Bad
That said, the only recent photograph of Maurice Strong is one
appearing on a bahaim site with Peter Adriance, a member of the ao-
hole establishment in the USA.
And no answer to this.

W
PaulHammond
2008-12-03 00:59:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
That said, the only recent photograph of Maurice Strong is one
appearing on a bahaim site with Peter Adriance, a member of the ao-
hole establishment in the USA.
And no answer to this.
There IS no answer to that - as I'm sure we will see by your response
to this attempt at one from me.

You assert that the only recent photograph YOU CAN FIND (by merely
following links already provided on other thread on trb) is one of him
in shot with Peter Adriance.

I don't believe that it's true that this is the ONLY recent photograph
of Strong it is possible to find. I suggest going to the UN and
trying to look up Mr Strong on a list of members might produce a more
recent photograph of him, not polluted by the nearness of evol Bahai's.
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-03 04:34:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by All Bad
Sure, you say there is partisan politics agitating to regulate the mail
order bride industry and I can't figure out what political party is standing
up for the mail order bride industry, and I've asked, and you won't tell me.
You tell why the big dot.com corporate players, such as match.com and
similar, have specifically been excluded from the IMBRA legislation,
and I'll tell you what you want. You cultists lobby under various
guises whilst serving big corporate masters/think-tanks out to
sideline smaller players from the market or start wars in the Middle
East/topple governments. A credible IMBRA legislation worth its salt
would've criminalized the entire "pen-pal" and "marriage brokering"
industry across the board without exception. Because subsidiaries of
big corporate players such as match.com are actual financial
contributors to the Tahirih Justice Center, it is not they who get the
axe, but the small business "marriage brokering" companies in the
smaller countries. Using "progressive" agendas to advance the cause of
multinational corporations in pursuit of destroying local industries
in foreign countries is one of the oldest imperialist tricks in the
book. Inteterstingly enough, albeit not surprisingly, it is you bahaim
who are being used as the lobbying tool to implement such big money
Anglo-American corporate/political interests throughout the Global
South.
We will see how this all plays out, but thankfully the Tahirih Justice
Center and the Haifan Bahaim cult have made some very determined
enemies in the United States out to draw blood, which I am confident
they will
Post by All Bad
That said, the only recent photograph of Maurice Strong is one
appearing on a bahaim site with Peter Adriance, a member of the ao-
hole establishment in the USA.
And no answer to this.
W
All Bad
2008-12-03 12:01:17 UTC
Permalink
Ahh, soo, you are stamping your foot that I have not anthered your
kwesthion, aww, W. Azal.
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by All Bad
Sure, you say there is partisan politics agitating to regulate the mail
order bride industry and I can't figure out what political party is standing
up for the mail order bride industry, and I've asked, and you won't tell me.
You tell why the big dot.com corporate players, such as match.com and
similar, have specifically been excluded from the IMBRA legislation,
I don't use match dot com, or eHarmony or other online dating services, and
I don't know they are specifically excluded from 'international' 'mail order
bride' regulation, but I would not expect them to be regulated by such
because:
a) they are dating services in the sense that the customers intend to
date eachother - pairings with partners overseas, as would happen in the
case of 'international' would make the dating pricey, the prefered matches
would be people who live nearby, not overseas.
b) they are dating services - marriage is not a necessary object of any
two getting together; marriage is a necessary object of the 'mail order
bride' industry
c) which part of 'dope' is it that you do not understand, 'dope', or,
hmmm, there is just the one part
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
and I'll tell you what you want. You cultists lobby under various
So, anther up, W. Azal.

- All Bad
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
guises whilst serving big corporate masters/think-tanks out to
sideline smaller players from the market or start wars in the Middle
East/topple governments. A credible IMBRA legislation worth its salt
would've criminalized the entire "pen-pal" and "marriage brokering"
industry across the board without exception. Because subsidiaries of
big corporate players such as match.com are actual financial
contributors to the Tahirih Justice Center, it is not they who get the
axe, but the small business "marriage brokering" companies in the
smaller countries. Using "progressive" agendas to advance the cause of
multinational corporations in pursuit of destroying local industries
in foreign countries is one of the oldest imperialist tricks in the
book. Inteterstingly enough, albeit not surprisingly, it is you bahaim
who are being used as the lobbying tool to implement such big money
Anglo-American corporate/political interests throughout the Global
South.
We will see how this all plays out, but thankfully the Tahirih Justice
Center and the Haifan Bahaim cult have made some very determined
enemies in the United States out to draw blood, which I am confident
they will
Post by All Bad
That said, the only recent photograph of Maurice Strong is one
appearing on a bahaim site with Peter Adriance, a member of the ao-
hole establishment in the USA.
And no answer to this.
W
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-04 03:16:15 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 3, 10:01 pm, "All Bad" <***@md.metrocast.net>
wrote:

<bs snip>
Post by All Bad
I don't use match dot com, or eHarmony or other online dating services,
Pray tell, how this discussion has any relevance to what you do?
Post by All Bad
    a) they are dating services in the sense that the customers intend to
date eachother - pairings with partners overseas, as would happen in the
case of 'international' would make the dating pricey, the prefered matches
would be people who live nearby, not overseas.
    b) they are dating services - marriage is not a necessary object of any
two getting together; marriage is a necessary object of the 'mail order
bride' industry
    c) which part of 'dope' is it that you do not understand, 'dope', or,
hmmm, there is just the one part
Total BS. To wit,

http://www.usaimmigrationattorney.com/PRWebNewswire2.htm

Immigration Law Expert Identifies Major Flaw in Newly Passed Mail
Order Bride Law Called IMBRA


Lobbyists for the big Internet dating mega-sites succeeded in
persuading the proponents of the new mail order bride law,
"International Marriage Broker Regulation Act" called IMBRA, to carve
out an exemption for them over other smaller online international
dating services. This exemption allows them a "free pass" on
collecting criminal background disclosures from U.S. men who might be
violent abusers, thus potentially endangering many foreign brides.

Havertown, PA USA (PRWEB) March 13, 2006 -- What the U.S. Congress
intends to do, and what it actually ends up doing, in our age of high-
paid lobbyist influence-peddling, may not be the same thing. Take, for
example, the topic of Congress's intention to provide abuse protection
to foreign mail order brides in a super-charged mid-term election
year, when lobbyist corruption will probably be a hot-button issue at
the polls in November for many incumbents.

At issue: The newly-passed mail order bride law, called the
"International Marriage Broker Regulation Act" or IMBRA for short,
which went into effect this month. This new law imposes tough new
conditions on U.S. men who seek a romance partner abroad through
international dating services. Propelled largely by media reports of
the deaths of two immigrant women in Washington State who were abused
and murdered by their American citizen husbands, IMBRA was quietly
inserted onto the back of the widely-applauded Violence Against Women
Act (VAWA) to help prevent domestic violence. It quickly passed the
Congress, and was promptly signed by the President.

What does this new law say? It requires any U.S. mail order bride
company, now called an "International Marriage Broker" or IMB for
short, to first secure from any gentleman customer extensive
background information such as criminal and domestic violence history.
next, the law mandates that the IMB provide a copy of this to the
foreign lady client in her native language. And last, the IMB must
obtain a signed, written consent from the lady as to that specific man
before her "personal contact information" is released and the couple
can communicate. There are stiff penalties on the IMB mail order
company for any violations of these requirements, including up to
$25,000 civil fine and up to 5 years in federal prison.

Why this law? The proponents, notably Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA),
argued that this law would force full disclosure of a man's violent
records, if any, and enable a foreign lady customer of IMB dating
services, which they say may number up to 5000 with some charging
hefty fees, to decide for herself if she wants to communicate with and
marry that man.

Problem: What about the largest and most lucrative of the
international matchmakers in cyberspace, namely the big Internet
dating mega-sites? Well, they get a "free pass" on having to collect
any information at all on their U.S. men customers, even if those men
happen to be repeat felony abusers of their ex-"mail order bride
spouses".

How? Because of a little-known exemption written into the law for a
company if its "primary business" is NOT international dating but some
other business, and if they offer the U.S. men and foreign women
"comparable rates for comparable services".

Say what?

Lobbyists for certain large mega-sites, whose websites are actually
but sub-divisions of larger companies with services ranging from
telecommunications to mortgage loans, argued to the law's drafters
that international dating was not their primary business. And they
also apparently made the case (successfully) that the potential for
abuse from a U.S. man over a foreign women was less if they charged a
"comparable rate" to men and women alike, such as a flat monthly fee
for customers to E-Mail each other, thus supposedly leveling the
imbalance of power between the sexes.

Is this really true? Actually, simple logic suggests that a U.S. man
"serial abuser" can "beat" the new law's disclosure requirements by
simply choosing to use the foreign bride matchmaking services of only
the big mega-sites over the smaller ones.

And what about the raw numbers of foreign women potentially affected?

One IMB owner, in a certified statement submitted to a federal court
in Atlanta, Georgia, where a lawsuit has been filed to stop IMBRA,
commented: "The number of foreign women profiled who are listed on
websites exempted by law (the dating mega-sites) dwarf the total
number of profiles listed by International Marriage Brokers worldwide.
For example, I have performed a search at (one mega-site). I found
354,166 foreign and 553,976 women listed on their site. None of these
women, whether foreign or national, are protected by the act."

What next? More court hearings are scheduled soon in the Atlanta case,
but the federal court has already issued a Temporary Restraining Order
(TRO) against enforcement of the IMBRA law for now on the IMB in that
case. See: European Connections & Tours, Inc. vs. Gonzalez, et al.,
No. 1:06-cv-00426-CC, U.S.D.C., N.D. Ga. (Temporary Restraining Order,
March 07, 2006, Cooper, D.J.)

About Gary Bala:
I am a member of the American Immigration Lawyers Assn. (AILA) with
24+ years of legal experience. I have completed hundreds of family
cases, fiancée visas, spousal petitions and consultations involving
foreign fiancees and brides from nearly all parts of the world.
My office is in Pennsylvania. My telephone number is: 610-446-8472.

Resources:
1. Federal Court's TRO Order in PDF:
http://www.usaimmigrationattorney.com/images/CourtOrderTRO.pdf

2. Commentary on Federal Court's TRO Order:
http://fianceevisalawyer.com/

3. Blog Article:
"The Backdoor Law That Sabotages International Romance"
http://usaimmigrationattorney.com/nucleus/index

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2008-12-04 12:48:40 UTC
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"Sock-Puppet'ullah" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:fe2ac867-0eb2-43d0-ad82-***@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 3, 10:01 pm, "All Bad" <***@md.metrocast.net>
wrote:

<bs snip>
Post by All Bad
I don't use match dot com, or eHarmony or other online dating services,
Pray tell, how this discussion has any relevance to what you do?

AB:

It has no relevance whatsoever to what I do. I don't use an international
mail order bride catalog, nor anything remotely resembling that, nor the
Match.com internet business that you offered. I suppose you see these
things as things everyone uses, perhaps more projection, on your part.

- All Bad
Post by All Bad
a) they are dating services in the sense that the customers intend to
date eachother - pairings with partners overseas, as would happen in the
case of 'international' would make the dating pricey, the prefered matches
would be people who live nearby, not overseas.
b) they are dating services - marriage is not a necessary object of any
two getting together; marriage is a necessary object of the 'mail order
bride' industry
c) which part of 'dope' is it that you do not understand, 'dope', or,
hmmm, there is just the one part
Total BS. To wit,

http://www.usaimmigrationattorney.com/PRWebNewswire2.htm

Immigration Law Expert Identifies Major Flaw in Newly Passed Mail
Order Bride Law Called IMBRA


Lobbyists for the big Internet dating mega-sites succeeded in
persuading the proponents of the new mail order bride law,
"International Marriage Broker Regulation Act" called IMBRA, to carve
out an exemption for them over other smaller online international
dating services. This exemption allows them a "free pass" on
collecting criminal background disclosures from U.S. men who might be
violent abusers, thus potentially endangering many foreign brides.

Havertown, PA USA (PRWEB) March 13, 2006 -- What the U.S. Congress
intends to do, and what it actually ends up doing, in our age of high-
paid lobbyist influence-peddling, may not be the same thing. Take, for
example, the topic of Congress's intention to provide abuse protection
to foreign mail order brides in a super-charged mid-term election
year, when lobbyist corruption will probably be a hot-button issue at
the polls in November for many incumbents.

At issue: The newly-passed mail order bride law, called the
"International Marriage Broker Regulation Act" or IMBRA for short,
which went into effect this month. This new law imposes tough new
conditions on U.S. men who seek a romance partner abroad through
international dating services. Propelled largely by media reports of
the deaths of two immigrant women in Washington State who were abused
and murdered by their American citizen husbands, IMBRA was quietly
inserted onto the back of the widely-applauded Violence Against Women
Act (VAWA) to help prevent domestic violence. It quickly passed the
Congress, and was promptly signed by the President.

What does this new law say? It requires any U.S. mail order bride
company, now called an "International Marriage Broker" or IMB for
short, to first secure from any gentleman customer extensive
background information such as criminal and domestic violence history.
next, the law mandates that the IMB provide a copy of this to the
foreign lady client in her native language. And last, the IMB must
obtain a signed, written consent from the lady as to that specific man
before her "personal contact information" is released and the couple
can communicate. There are stiff penalties on the IMB mail order
company for any violations of these requirements, including up to
$25,000 civil fine and up to 5 years in federal prison.

Why this law? The proponents, notably Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA),
argued that this law would force full disclosure of a man's violent
records, if any, and enable a foreign lady customer of IMB dating
services, which they say may number up to 5000 with some charging
hefty fees, to decide for herself if she wants to communicate with and
marry that man.

Problem: What about the largest and most lucrative of the
international matchmakers in cyberspace, namely the big Internet
dating mega-sites? Well, they get a "free pass" on having to collect
any information at all on their U.S. men customers, even if those men
happen to be repeat felony abusers of their ex-"mail order bride
spouses".

How? Because of a little-known exemption written into the law for a
company if its "primary business" is NOT international dating but some
other business, and if they offer the U.S. men and foreign women
"comparable rates for comparable services".

Say what?

Lobbyists for certain large mega-sites, whose websites are actually
but sub-divisions of larger companies with services ranging from
telecommunications to mortgage loans, argued to the law's drafters
that international dating was not their primary business. And they
also apparently made the case (successfully) that the potential for
abuse from a U.S. man over a foreign women was less if they charged a
"comparable rate" to men and women alike, such as a flat monthly fee
for customers to E-Mail each other, thus supposedly leveling the
imbalance of power between the sexes.

Is this really true? Actually, simple logic suggests that a U.S. man
"serial abuser" can "beat" the new law's disclosure requirements by
simply choosing to use the foreign bride matchmaking services of only
the big mega-sites over the smaller ones.

And what about the raw numbers of foreign women potentially affected?

One IMB owner, in a certified statement submitted to a federal court
in Atlanta, Georgia, where a lawsuit has been filed to stop IMBRA,
commented: "The number of foreign women profiled who are listed on
websites exempted by law (the dating mega-sites) dwarf the total
number of profiles listed by International Marriage Brokers worldwide.
For example, I have performed a search at (one mega-site). I found
354,166 foreign and 553,976 women listed on their site. None of these
women, whether foreign or national, are protected by the act."

What next? More court hearings are scheduled soon in the Atlanta case,
but the federal court has already issued a Temporary Restraining Order
(TRO) against enforcement of the IMBRA law for now on the IMB in that
case. See: European Connections & Tours, Inc. vs. Gonzalez, et al.,
No. 1:06-cv-00426-CC, U.S.D.C., N.D. Ga. (Temporary Restraining Order,
March 07, 2006, Cooper, D.J.)

About Gary Bala:
I am a member of the American Immigration Lawyers Assn. (AILA) with
24+ years of legal experience. I have completed hundreds of family
cases, fiancée visas, spousal petitions and consultations involving
foreign fiancees and brides from nearly all parts of the world.
My office is in Pennsylvania. My telephone number is: 610-446-8472.

Resources:
1. Federal Court's TRO Order in PDF:
http://www.usaimmigrationattorney.com/images/CourtOrderTRO.pdf

2. Commentary on Federal Court's TRO Order:
http://fianceevisalawyer.com/

3. Blog Article:
"The Backdoor Law That Sabotages International Romance"
http://usaimmigrationattorney.com/nucleus/index

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2008-12-04 22:34:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
<bs snip>
Post by All Bad
I don't use match dot com, or eHarmony or other online dating services,
Pray tell, how this discussion has any relevance to what you do?
It has no relevance whatsoever to what I do. I don't use an international
mail order bride catalog, nor anything remotely resembling that, nor the
Match.com internet business that you offered. I suppose you see these
things as things everyone uses, perhaps more projection, on your part.
- All Bad
I'd stay away from the pseudo-Jungian comebacks. It's kind of like a
flunking first year psychology student's version of "I know you are,
but what am I?"
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by All Bad
a) they are dating services in the sense that the customers intend to
date eachother - pairings with partners overseas, as would happen in the
case of 'international' would make the dating pricey, the prefered matches
would be people who live nearby, not overseas.
b) they are dating services - marriage is not a necessary object of any
two getting together; marriage is a necessary object of the 'mail order
bride' industry
c) which part of 'dope' is it that you do not understand, 'dope', or,
hmmm, there is just the one part
Total BS. To wit,
http://www.usaimmigrationattorney.com/PRWebNewswire2.htm
Immigration Law Expert Identifies Major Flaw in Newly Passed Mail
Order Bride Law Called IMBRA
Lobbyists for the big Internet dating mega-sites succeeded in
persuading the proponents of the new mail order bride law,
"International Marriage Broker Regulation Act" called IMBRA, to carve
out an exemption for them over other smaller online international
dating services. This exemption allows them a "free pass" on
collecting criminal background disclosures from U.S. men who might be
violent abusers, thus potentially endangering many foreign brides.
Havertown, PA USA (PRWEB) March 13, 2006 -- What the U.S. Congress
intends to do, and what it actually ends up doing, in our age of high-
paid lobbyist influence-peddling, may not be the same thing. Take, for
example, the topic of Congress's intention to provide abuse protection
to foreign mail order brides in a super-charged mid-term election
year, when lobbyist corruption will probably be a hot-button issue at
the polls in November for many incumbents.
At issue: The newly-passed mail order bride law, called the
"International Marriage Broker Regulation Act" or IMBRA for short,
which went into effect this month. This new law imposes tough new
conditions on U.S. men who seek a romance partner abroad through
international dating services. Propelled largely by media reports of
the deaths of two immigrant women in Washington State who were abused
and murdered by their American citizen husbands, IMBRA was quietly
inserted onto the back of the widely-applauded Violence Against Women
Act (VAWA) to help prevent domestic violence. It quickly passed the
Congress, and was promptly signed by the President.
What does this new law say? It requires any U.S. mail order bride
company, now called an "International Marriage Broker" or IMB for
short, to first secure from any gentleman customer extensive
background information such as criminal and domestic violence history.
next, the law mandates that the IMB provide a copy of this to the
foreign lady client in her native language. And last, the IMB must
obtain a signed, written consent from the lady as to that specific man
before her "personal contact information" is released and the couple
can communicate. There are stiff penalties on the IMB mail order
company for any violations of these requirements, including up to
$25,000 civil fine and up to 5 years in federal prison.
Why this law? The proponents, notably Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA),
argued that this law would force full disclosure of a man's violent
records, if any, and enable a foreign lady customer of IMB dating
services, which they say may number up to 5000 with some charging
hefty fees, to decide for herself if she wants to communicate with and
marry that man.
Problem: What about the largest and most lucrative of the
international matchmakers in cyberspace, namely the big Internet
dating mega-sites? Well, they get a "free pass" on having to collect
any information at all on their U.S. men customers, even if those men
happen to be repeat felony abusers of their ex-"mail order bride
spouses".
How? Because of a little-known exemption written into the law for a
company if its "primary business" is NOT international dating but some
other business, and if they offer the U.S. men and foreign women
"comparable rates for comparable services".
Say what?
Lobbyists for certain large mega-sites, whose websites are actually
but sub-divisions of larger companies with services ranging from
telecommunications to mortgage loans, argued to the law's drafters
that international dating was not their primary business. And they
also apparently made the case (successfully) that the potential for
abuse from a U.S. man over a foreign women was less if they charged a
"comparable rate" to men and women alike, such as a flat monthly fee
for customers to E-Mail each other, thus supposedly leveling the
imbalance of power between the sexes.
Is this really true? Actually, simple logic suggests that a U.S. man
"serial abuser" can "beat" the new law's disclosure requirements by
simply choosing to use the foreign bride matchmaking services of only
the big mega-sites over the smaller ones.
And what about the raw numbers of foreign women potentially affected?
One IMB owner, in a certified statement submitted to a federal court
in Atlanta, Georgia, where a lawsuit has been filed to stop IMBRA,
commented: "The number of foreign women profiled who are listed on
websites exempted by law (the dating mega-sites) dwarf the total
number of profiles listed by International Marriage Brokers worldwide.
For example, I have performed a search at (one mega-site). I found
354,166 foreign and 553,976 women listed on their site. None of these
women, whether foreign or national, are protected by the act."
What next? More court hearings are scheduled soon in the Atlanta case,
but the federal court has already issued a Temporary Restraining Order
(TRO) against enforcement of the IMBRA law for now on the IMB in that
case. See: European Connections & Tours, Inc. vs. Gonzalez, et al.,
No. 1:06-cv-00426-CC, U.S.D.C., N.D. Ga. (Temporary Restraining Order,
March 07, 2006, Cooper, D.J.)
I am a member of the American Immigration Lawyers Assn. (AILA) with
24+ years of legal experience. I have completed hundreds of family
cases, fiancée visas, spousal petitions and consultations involving
foreign fiancees and brides from nearly all parts of the world.
My office is in Pennsylvania. My telephone number is: 610-446-8472.
http://www.usaimmigrationattorney.com/images/CourtOrderTRO.pdf
http://fianceevisalawyer.com/
"The Backdoor Law That Sabotages International Romance"
http://usaimmigrationattorney.com/nucleus/index
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All Bad
2008-12-05 10:10:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
<bs snip>
Post by All Bad
I don't use match dot com, or eHarmony or other online dating services,
Pray tell, how this discussion has any relevance to what you do?
It has no relevance whatsoever to what I do. I don't use an international
mail order bride catalog, nor anything remotely resembling that, nor the
Match.com internet business that you offered. I suppose you see these
things as things everyone uses, perhaps more projection, on your part.
- All Bad
I'd stay away from the pseudo-Jungian comebacks. It's kind of like a

AB:

You do well on that count. W. however, is another matter. His question
about relevance to me was a clear attempt to divert.

flunking first year psychology student's version of "I know you are,
but what am I?"

AB:
U R 101, right?

<bs snip>

- All Bad
All Bad
2008-12-03 01:46:41 UTC
Permalink
Here is his page:

http://www.mauricestrong.net/

Oh, it has a search function. Let's see where he describes how Baca'i
Maurice Strong learned about the Bahooooveyeyeyeys, his eco friends.
Awww, Maurice makes no mention of that other "Ba..." religion on his web
page:

http://www.mauricestrong.net/index.php/Search/newest-first.html?searchphrase=any&searchword=bahai&submit=Search

http://www.mauricestrong.net/index.php/Search/newest-first.html?searchphrase=any&searchword=baha%27i&submit=Search

Plenty of pictures, though.

- All Bad
Post by All Bad
That explains the confusion; the Strongs are Baca'is!
Indeed
http://www.onecountry.org/e114/e11414ac_ECLaunch.htm

Peter Adriance, head of the DC Communications Office of the US NSA,
posing with the devil.

W
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-03 06:10:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by All Bad
http://www.mauricestrong.net/
Oh, it has a search function.  Let's see where he describes how Baca'i
Maurice Strong learned about the Bahooooveyeyeyeys, his eco friends.
Awww, Maurice makes no mention of that other "Ba..." religion on his web
Thanks for the link :)

But how convenient for you, him and the rest of your lot, especially
when he is on record in academic print with his own words being cited
that he is one. Of course, the black-flag "Paul Hammond" character is
also on record claiming he is not a bahaim. Strong "conveniently"
doesn't mention his unassailably established bahaim affiliation and
credentials precisely because questions have been asked for a while
now. Yet the evidence that is he is one there in black and white. Let
your uhj come out and say for the record say he is not, as maybeiam
has asked, and then we'll see. Right now your plausible denials are
becoming more and more transparent for what they are: more of the same-
old, same-old BS and spin by the paid hacks of the IT committee.

W
All Bad
2008-12-03 12:15:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by All Bad
http://www.mauricestrong.net/
Oh, it has a search function. Let's see where he describes how Baca'i
Maurice Strong learned about the Bahooooveyeyeyeys, his eco friends.
Awww, Maurice makes no mention of that other "Ba..." religion on his web
Thanks for the link :)

But how convenient for you, him and the rest of your lot, especially
when he is on record in academic print with his own words being cited

AB
URL, please.

that he is one. Of course, the black-flag "Paul Hammond" character is
also on record claiming he is not a bahaim. Strong "conveniently"
doesn't mention his unassailably established bahaim affiliation and
credentials precisely because questions have been asked for a while
now. Yet the evidence that is he is one there in black and white. Let
your uhj come out and say for the record say he is not, as maybeiam
has asked, and then we'll see. Right now your plausible denials are
becoming more and more transparent for what they are: more of the same-
old, same-old BS and spin by the paid hacks of the IT committee.

AB:

You or your puppet master have posted allegations that Strong is the leader
of the North American Baha'i community. Clearly he can't be if he does not
even acknowledge that he is a Baha'i.

AB:

Next!

- All Bad
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-04 03:10:32 UTC
Permalink
<BS misdirection snip>
Post by All Bad
You or your puppet master have posted allegations that Strong is the leader
of the North American Baha'i community.
No, we haven't. We have posted multiple sources that say he is a
Bahai, only one of which asserted he is was a leader of the bahaim in
N. America. Can you credibly distinguish between what has been
reported and what we have asserted without misdirection? Didn't think
so.

W
All Bad
2008-12-04 12:56:15 UTC
Permalink
<BS misdirection snip>
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by All Bad
You or your puppet master have posted allegations that Strong is the leader
of the North American Baha'i community.
No, we haven't.
Did too!
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
We have posted multiple sources that say he is a Bahai,
"While researching for this article I have been very surprised at the
extent of the involvement of the Baha'i religion in the United
Nations. However, perhaps it is not so surprising when you realise
that Maurice Strong is a devout Baha'i and was the leader of the
organisation in North America. The Baha'i community has, as a duly
accredited non-governmental organization, long worked closely with the
United Nations, supporting many of its goals and programs, and taking
a leadership role in several international gatherings. Its involvement
in the United Nations dates back to the founding of the UN in 1945."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/bd22828939fbdce9

Oh, here comes the other side of your lying mouth ...
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
only one of which asserted he is was a leader of the bahaim in
N. America. Can you credibly distinguish between what has been
So, you did, and you were lying when you just wrote that you have not done
this.
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
reported and what we have asserted without misdirection? Didn't think
so.
W
m***@gmail.com
2008-12-04 22:51:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
<BS misdirection snip>
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by All Bad
You or your puppet master have posted allegations that Strong is the leader
of the North American Baha'i community.
No, we haven't.
Did too!
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
We have posted multiple sources that say he is a Bahai,
"While researching for this article I have been very surprised at the
extent of the involvement of the Baha'i religion in the United
Nations. However, perhaps it is not so surprising when you realise
that Maurice Strong is a devout Baha'i and was the leader of the
organisation in North America. The Baha'i community has, as a duly
accredited non-governmental organization, long worked closely with the
United Nations, supporting many of its goals and programs, and taking
a leadership role in several international gatherings. Its involvement
in the United Nations dates back to the founding of the UN in 1945."http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/bd22828939fbdce9
Oh, here comes the other side of your lying mouth ...
You might want to post the ACTUAL quote where the claim that Maurice
Strong is a Baha'i is being made by SOMEONE ELSE, and not imply that
Wahid wrote "whilst researching this article" etc. Can you really not
tell the difference between posting SOMEBODY ELSE'S CLAIM, and making
the claim yourself? The issue as to whether he is the leader of the
Baha'is in North America is totally irrelevant, and is NOT a claim
Wahid or I have been making- it has been made by someone else in the
context of a source claiming Maurice Strong is a Baha'i. The issue is
that he has been identified as a Baha'i in numerous sources (only one
of which claimed he was a leader in North America) and that this claim
(regarding his general status as a Baha'i) should be clarified.

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:t0JC76borgQJ:www.green-agenda.co...
The Baha’i and the UN
While researching for this article I have been very surprised at the
extent of the involvement of the Baha’i religion in the United
Nations. However, perhaps it is not so surprising when you realise
that Maurice Strong is a devout Baha’i and was the leader of the
organisation in North America. The Baha'i community has, as a duly
accredited non-governmental organization, long worked closely with
the
United Nations, supporting many of its goals and programs, and taking
a leadership role in several international gatherings. Its
involvement
in the United Nations dates back to the founding of the UN in 1945.
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
only one of which asserted he is was a leader of the bahaim in
N. America. Can you credibly distinguish between what has been
So, you did, and you were lying when you just wrote that you have not done
this.
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
reported and what we have asserted without misdirection? Didn't think
so.
W
PaulHammond
2008-12-04 23:37:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by m***@gmail.com
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
<BS misdirection snip>
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by All Bad
You or your puppet master have posted allegations that Strong is the leader
of the North American Baha'i community.
No, we haven't.
Did too!
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
We have posted multiple sources that say he is a Bahai,
"While researching for this article I have been very surprised at the
extent of the involvement of the Baha'i religion in the United
Nations. However, perhaps it is not so surprising when you realise
that Maurice Strong is a devout Baha'i and was the leader of the
organisation in North America. The Baha'i community has, as a duly
accredited non-governmental organization, long worked closely with the
United Nations, supporting many of its goals and programs, and taking
a leadership role in several international gatherings. Its involvement
in the United Nations dates back to the founding of the UN in 1945."http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/bd22828939fbdce9
Oh, here comes the other side of your lying mouth ...
You might want to post the ACTUAL quote where the claim that Maurice
Strong is a Baha'i is being made by SOMEONE ELSE, and not imply that
Wahid wrote "whilst researching this article" etc. Can you really not
tell the difference between posting SOMEBODY ELSE'S CLAIM, and making
the claim yourself?
All Bad's argument doesn't depend on anybody thinking that Nima was
saying these words himself rather than quoting somebody else.

Pat Kholi:> > >> You or your puppet master have posted allegations
that Strong is the
Post by m***@gmail.com
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by All Bad
leader
of the North American Baha'i community.
Nima: > > > No, we haven't.

This is the allegation that Nima has posted which says "Strong is the
leader of the North American Baha'is"

I think Pat would know that Maurice Strong had been Baha'i if he'd
ever been a member of the US NSA.

Pat was showing us the posting Nima sent that he had denied ever
posting.

It's actually quite common around here for Nima not to have read any
of the material he spams us with incredibly closely.

Paul

The issue as to whether he is the leader of the
Post by m***@gmail.com
Baha'is in North America is totally irrelevant, and is NOT a claim
Wahid or I have been making- it has been made by someone else in the
context of a source claiming Maurice Strong is a Baha'i. The issue is
that he has been identified as a Baha'i in numerous sources (only one
of which claimed he was a leader in North America) and that this claim
(regarding his general status as a Baha'i) should be clarified.
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-05 01:16:09 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 5, 9:37 am, PaulHammond <***@onetel.net.uk> wrote:

<bs snip>
Post by PaulHammond
I think Pat would know that Maurice Strong had been Baha'i if he'd
ever been a member of the US NSA.
Really? Pat KKKholi would meticulously know the *real* stats and
membership of every single bahaim that there is and ever has been.
Since you say this, you are confirming the allegation that Pat KKKholi
is privy to need-to-know administrative information and thus he is a
bureaucrat of the Bahaim administration in the United States, and
therefore his TRB presence is a paid endeavour of his overall pencil
neck status.

Thank you for this gem of an admission, palu!

<bs snip>


W
PaulHammond
2008-12-05 01:37:07 UTC
Permalink
"Palu HamHead confirms Pat KKKholi as a paid bureaucrat" - LIE - THIS
IS NOT WHAT I HAVE SAID

The membership of the NSA is a pretty high-profile group of nine
people.

I strongly suspect that if Maurice Strong had been secretary of the
NSA, say, that most every US Baha'i would have heard of him.
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
<bs snip>
Post by PaulHammond
I think Pat would know that Maurice Strong had been Baha'i if he'd
ever been a member of the US NSA.
Really? Pat KKKholi would meticulously know the *real* stats and
membership of every single bahaim that there is and ever has been.
Since you say this, you are confirming the allegation that Pat KKKholi
is privy to need-to-know administrative information and thus he is a
bureaucrat of the Bahaim administration in the United States, and
therefore his TRB presence is a paid endeavour of his overall pencil
neck status.
Thank you for this gem of an admission, palu!
<bs snip>
W
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-05 06:27:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
<bs snip>
Post by PaulHammond
I think Pat would know that Maurice Strong had been Baha'i if he'd
ever been a member of the US NSA.
Really? Pat KKKholi would meticulously know the *real* stats and
membership of every single bahaim that there is and ever has been.
Since you say this, you are confirming the allegation that Pat KKKholi
is privy to need-to-know administrative information and thus he is a
bureaucrat of the Bahaim administration in the United States, and
therefore his TRB presence is a paid endeavour of his overall pencil
neck status.
Thank you for this gem of an admission, palu!
<bs snip>
W
All Bad
2008-12-05 10:20:23 UTC
Permalink
"Sock-Puppet'ullah" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:409cdfba-4076-47fa-8d9a-***@v5g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 5, 9:37 am, PaulHammond <***@onetel.net.uk> wrote:

<bs snip>
Post by PaulHammond
I think Pat would know that Maurice Strong had been Baha'i if he'd
ever been a member of the US NSA.
Really? Pat KKKholi would meticulously know the *real* stats and
membership of every single bahaim that there is and ever has been.


AB
... on the US NSA in the past 20 years?

Since you say this, you are confirming the allegation that Pat KKKholi
is privy to need-to-know administrative information and thus he is a

AB
Since you are saying this, you are confirming that you are one delusional
fantasist with reading comprehension gaps and logic issues.

- All Bad

bureaucrat of the Bahaim administration in the United States, and
therefore his TRB presence is a paid endeavour of his overall pencil
neck status.

Thank you for this gem of an admission, palu!

<bs snip>


W
383
2008-12-06 05:21:21 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 5, 8:20 pm, "All Bad" <***@md.metrocast.net>
wrote:

<big BS misdirection snip>

So, KKKholi, you were going to quote where Maurice Strong states on
his website that he is _not_ a bahaim. Still waiting...

W
All Bad
2008-12-06 13:41:55 UTC
Permalink
"383" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:6392210a-9577-4d44-b9af-***@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 5, 8:20 pm, "All Bad" <***@md.metrocast.net>
wrote:

<big BS misdirection snip>

So, KKKholi, you were going to quote where Maurice Strong states on
his website that he is _not_ a bahaim. Still waiting...

AB:

Hold your breath. Let me know when your web site denies that you are a
bahaim. Keep holding your breath.

- All Bad
383
2008-12-07 05:31:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by 383
<big BS misdirection snip>
So, KKKholi, you were going to quote where Maurice Strong states on
his website that he is _not_ a bahaim. Still waiting...
Hold your breath.
You demonstrate.
All Bad
2008-12-05 10:15:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
<BS misdirection snip>
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by All Bad
You or your puppet master have posted allegations that Strong is the leader
of the North American Baha'i community.
No, we haven't.
Did too!
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
We have posted multiple sources that say he is a Bahai,
"While researching for this article I have been very surprised at the
extent of the involvement of the Baha'i religion in the United
Nations. However, perhaps it is not so surprising when you realise
that Maurice Strong is a devout Baha'i and was the leader of the
organisation in North America. The Baha'i community has, as a duly
accredited non-governmental organization, long worked closely with the
United Nations, supporting many of its goals and programs, and taking
a leadership role in several international gatherings. Its involvement
in the United Nations dates back to the founding of the UN in
1945."http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/bd22828939fbdce9
Oh, here comes the other side of your lying mouth ...
You might want to post the ACTUAL quote where the claim that Maurice
Strong is a Baha'i is being made by SOMEONE ELSE, and not imply that

AB:
The statement that I made, and W challenged, and that I am corroborating is:
< << You or your puppet master have posted allegations that Strong is the
< << leader
< << of the North American Baha'i community.


Wahid wrote "whilst researching this article" etc. Can you really not
tell the difference between posting SOMEBODY ELSE'S CLAIM, and making


AB:
CAn you really not tell the difference between posting the allegation here,
and posting the allegation here? I can't tell the difference.

the claim yourself? The issue as to whether he is the leader of the
Baha'is in North America is totally irrelevant, and is NOT a claim
Wahid or I have been making- it has been made by someone else in the

AB:
It is a patent lie, present in one of the data points being cited to show
that Strong is a Baha'i. It goes to credibility (0).

context of a source claiming Maurice Strong is a Baha'i. The issue is
that he has been identified as a Baha'i in numerous sources (only one

AB:
I already went through this. The Illuminatic conspiracists, Fax Noise, this
letter to the editor. Wake up.

- All Bad

of which claimed he was a leader in North America) and that this claim
(regarding his general status as a Baha'i) should be clarified.

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:t0JC76borgQJ:www.green-agenda.co...
The Baha’i and the UN
While researching for this article I have been very surprised at the
extent of the involvement of the Baha’i religion in the United
Nations. However, perhaps it is not so surprising when you realise
that Maurice Strong is a devout Baha’i and was the leader of the
organisation in North America. The Baha'i community has, as a duly
accredited non-governmental organization, long worked closely with
the
United Nations, supporting many of its goals and programs, and taking
a leadership role in several international gatherings. Its
involvement
in the United Nations dates back to the founding of the UN in 1945.
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
only one of which asserted he is was a leader of the bahaim in
N. America. Can you credibly distinguish between what has been
So, you did, and you were lying when you just wrote that you have not done
this.
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
reported and what we have asserted without misdirection? Didn't think
so.
W
PaulHammond
2008-12-04 23:09:01 UTC
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Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by All Bad
http://www.mauricestrong.net/
Oh, it has a search function. �Let's see where he describes how Baca'i
Maurice Strong learned about the Bahooooveyeyeyeys, his eco friends.
Awww, Maurice makes no mention of that other "Ba..." religion on his web
Thanks for the link :)
But how convenient for you, him and the rest of your lot, especially
when he is on record in academic print with his own words being cited
that he is one. Of course, the black-flag "Paul Hammond" character is
also on record claiming he is not a bahaim.
Stop lying about what I've said!

I am ON RECORD as you put it as saying that I had not heard of this
guy until YOU started wittering about his unsavoury connections on
here.

I don't believe that he's a Baha'i just because you, and 100 right-
wing conspiracy theorists say that he is.

You'll have to do better than that, Nima! - and DO learn to read and
stop lying about what people have said.
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Strong "conveniently"
doesn't mention his unassailably established bahaim affiliation and
credentials precisely because questions have been asked for a while
now. Yet the evidence that is he is one there in black and white.
Well, if he wasn't Baha'i, he wouldn't say that he was either, would
he?
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-05 01:10:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by PaulHammond
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by All Bad
http://www.mauricestrong.net/
Oh, it has a search function. Let's see where he describes how Baca'i
Maurice Strong learned about the Bahooooveyeyeyeys, his eco friends.
Awww, Maurice makes no mention of that other "Ba..." religion on his web
Thanks for the link :)
But how convenient for you, him and the rest of your lot, especially
when he is on record in academic print with his own words being cited
that he is one. Of course, the black-flag "Paul Hammond" character is
also on record claiming he is not a bahaim.
Stop lying about what I've said!
I am ON RECORD as you put it as saying that I had not heard of this
guy until YOU started wittering about his unsavoury connections on
here.
I don't believe that he's a Baha'i just because you, and 100 right-
wing conspiracy theorists say that he is.
Tough shit for you, then! There is a credible array of sources from a
variety of different places attesting to the fact that Maurice Strong
is a Bahaim. The onus is on you cultists to disapprove it and explain
how it came about that all these sources accuse Strong of
*specifically* being a bahaim and not something else.

Strong's so-called website says F-ALL about his 'spiritual'
allegiences. He does not say anywhere on the site that he is _not_ a
Bahaim. As we know from years of experience from you criminals,
silence is always actual attestation.

Now we've asked you specifically to provide written prima facie
evidence from your "institutions" that Maurice Strong is not a bahaim,
and so far you KKKunts have misdirected and sleighted of handed all
over the place. What is the problem with the uhj setting the record
straight and unequivocally stating that Maurice Strong is not a
bahaim? Knowing the modus operandi of you ao-holes, such reluctance is
unassailable confirmation.

W
PaulHammond
2008-12-05 01:32:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by PaulHammond
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by All Bad
http://www.mauricestrong.net/
Oh, it has a search function. Let's see where he describes how Baca'i
Maurice Strong learned about the Bahooooveyeyeyeys, his eco friends.
Awww, Maurice makes no mention of that other "Ba..." religion on his web
Thanks for the link :)
But how convenient for you, him and the rest of your lot, especially
when he is on record in academic print with his own words being cited
that he is one. Of course, the black-flag "Paul Hammond" character is
also on record claiming he is not a bahaim.
Stop lying about what I've said!
I am ON RECORD as you put it as saying that I had not heard of this
guy until YOU started wittering about his unsavoury connections on
here.
I don't believe that he's a Baha'i just because you, and 100 right-
wing conspiracy theorists say that he is.
Tough shit for you, then! There is a credible array of sources from a
variety of different places attesting to the fact that Maurice Strong
is a Bahaim. The onus is on you cultists to disapprove it and explain
how it came about that all these sources accuse Strong of
*specifically* being a bahaim and not something else.
Strong's so-called website says F-ALL about his 'spiritual'
allegiences. He does not say anywhere on the site that he is _not_ a
Bahaim. As we know from years of experience from you criminals,
silence is always actual attestation.
Now we've asked you specifically to provide written prima facie
evidence from your "institutions" that Maurice Strong is not a bahaim,
and so far you KKKunts have misdirected and sleighted of handed all
over the place. What is the problem with the uhj setting the record
straight and unequivocally stating that Maurice Strong is not a
bahaim? Knowing the modus operandi of you ao-holes, such reluctance is
unassailable confirmation.
W
They ent MY institutions.

And it's not up to me to stand your case up for you. You say Maurice
Strong is a Baha'i. YOU prove it.

I still believe that he isn't a Baha'i.
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-03 00:12:32 UTC
Permalink
Back to topic after KKKholian misdirection.
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML/Maurice-Strong/article1.html
In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World
Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats,
CEOs and politicians gather "to address global issues."
Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. "What
if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal
risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?...
In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope
for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't
it our responsibility to bring this about?"
That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's words coming out. But
this is no fictitious Bond movie villain speaking - it is the man who
chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is Kofi Annan's senior adviser.
"This group of world leaders forms a secret society to bring about an
economic collapse," continued Strong, warming to his fantasy. "It's
February. They're all at Davos. These aren't terrorists.
"They're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the world's
commodities and stock markets. They've engineered, using their access
to stock markets and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they
prevent the world's stock markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They hire mercenaries who hold the leaders at Davos as hostage. The
markets can't close..."
Strong catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like
this."
But is fantasizing about holding the world hostage, like Dr. Evil in
an Austin Powers movie, any less strange than Strong's other solutions
to environmental problems?
In 1972, as Strong organized the first environmental conference for
the UN, he granted an interview to the BBC. "I am convinced the
prophets of doom have to be taken seriously," he said.
http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/GeneralForum/1115.shtml
An excerpt from the article:   In 1990, Strong told a reporter a
fantasy scenario for the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos,
Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats, CEOs and politicians gather "to
address global issues." Strong, naturally, is on the board of the
World Economic Forum. "What if a small group of these world leaders
were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the
actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the
group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to
bring this about?" That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's
words coming out. But this is no fictitious Bond movie villain
speaking - it is the man who chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is
Kofi Annan's senior adviser. "This group of world leaders forms a
secret society to bring about an economic collapse," continued Strong,
warming to his fantasy. "It's February. They're all at Davos. These
aren't terrorists. "They're world leaders. They have positioned
themselves in the world's commodities and stock markets. They've
engineered, using their access to stock markets and computers and gold
supplies, a panic. Then, they prevent the world's stock markets from
closing. They jam the gears. They hire mercenaries who hold the
leaders at Davos as hostage. The markets can't close..." Strong
catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like this."
http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/mstrong2.htm
The Trilateral Commission recently published book, Beyond
Interdependence: The Meshing Of the WorId's Economy and the Earth's
Ecology. Rockefeller wrote the foreword and Maurice Strong wrote the
"This book couldn't appear at a better time, with the preparation for
the Earth Summit moving into gear... it will help guide decisions that
will literally determine the fate of the earth... Rio will have the
political capacity to produce the basic changes needed in our
international economic agendas and in our institutions of
governance."
Strong has established what could be the global headquarters for the
New Age movement in the San Luis Valley of Colorado at the foot of the
Sangre de Cristo Mountains near Crestone, Colorado. He and his
occultic wife, Hanne, call the Baca an international spiritual
community which they hope will serve as a model for the way the world
should be if humankind is to survive - a sort of United Nations of
religious beliefs. The Baca (as the center is called) is replete with
monasteries; the Haidakhrndi Universal Ashram, a Vedic temple where
devotees worship the Vedic mother goddess; amulet-carrying Native
American shamans; a $175,000 solar-powered Hindu temple; a mustard-
yellow tower called a ziggurat; a subterranean Zen Buddhist center
complete with a computer and organic gardens; a house full of
thousands of crystals; and even Shirley MacLaine and her New Age
followers.
In 1978, a mystic informed Hanne and Maurice Strong that "the Baca
would become the center for a new planetary order which would evolve
from the economic collapse and environmental catastrophes that would
sweep the globe in the years to come." The Strongs say they see the
Baca, which they call 'The Valley Of the Refuge Of World Truths '",as
the paradigm for the entire planet and say that the fate of the earth
is at stake. Shirley MacLaine agrees - her astrologer told her to move
to the Baca, and she did. She is building a New Age study center at
the Baca where people can take short week-long courses on the occult!
Apparently, the Kissingers, the Rockefellers, the McNamaras, the
Rothschild's, and other Establishment New World Order elitists all
agree as well, for they do their pilgrimage to the Baca - where
politics and the occult - the New World Order and the New Age - all
merge. Watch Maurice Strong and watch the Baca!
Much of the above information about the Strong and the Baca comes from
an interview entitled "The Wizard Of the Baca Grande," which Maurice
Strong conducted with WEST magazine of Alberta, Canada May 1990.
Strong concluded the interview with a thought provoking, apocalyptic
"Each year the World Economic Forum convenes in Davos, Switzerland.
Over a thousand CEOs, prime ministers, finance ministers, and leading
academics gather in February to attend meetings and set the economic
agendas for the year ahead.
What if a small group of these word leaders were to conclude that the
principle risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich
countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would
have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment.
Will they do it? Will the rich countries agree to reduce their impact
on the environment? Will they agree to save the earth?
The group's conclusion is 'no.' The rich countries won't do it. They
isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized
civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that
about?
This group of world leaders form a secret society to bring about a
world collapse. It's February. They're all at Davos. These aren't
terrorists - they're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in
the world's commodity and stock markets. They've engineered, using
their access to stock exchanges, and computers, and gold supplies, a
panic. Then they prevent the markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They have mercenaries who hold the rest of the world leaders at Davros
as hostage. The markets can't close. The rich countries...?" and
Strong makes a slight motion with his fingers as if he were flicking a
cigarette butt out of the window.
I sat there spellbound. This is not any story-teller talking. This is
Maurice Strong. He knows these world leaders. He is, in fact, co-
chairman of the Council of the World Economic Forum. He sits at the
fulcrum of power. He is in a position to do it.
http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/mstrong2.htm
from Donald McAlvany's book TOWARD A NEW WORLD ORDER
WHO IS MAURICE STRONG?
Maurice Strong is a man to watch!
The billionaire Canadian businessman is an employee of the United
Nations; an employee of the Rockefeller and Rothschild's trusts and
projects; a director of the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies;
the organiser of the first World Conference on the Environment in
1992; the founder and first head ofthe U.N. Environment Program; the
secretary general (and chief organizer) of the UNCED Earth Summit in
Rio in June 1992, and a leading socialist, environmentalist, New World
Order manipulator, occultist, and New Ager. In the mid-1980s, Strong
joined the World Commission on the Environment where he helped produce
the 1987 Brundtland Report widely believed to be the "incendiary"
which ignited the present "Green movement."
Strong, who spearheaded the Earth Summit, has complained that "the
United States is clearly the greatest risk to the world's ecological
"It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the
affluent middle-class... involving high meat intake, consumption of
large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, ownership of motor
vehicles, small electric appliances, home and work place air-
conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable... A shift is
necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmental damaging
consumption patterns."
Strong has forcefully advocated a new economic order based on the re-
distribution of the developed world's industries and wealth to the
Third World. Strong is indeed an arch socialist.
The Trilateral Commission recently published book, Beyond
Interdependence: The Meshing Of the WorId's Economy and the Earth's
Ecology. Rockefeller wrote the foreword and Maurice Strong wrote the
"This book couldn't appear at a better time, with the preparation for
the Earth Summit moving into gear... it will help guide decisions that
will literally determine the fate of the earth... Rio will have the
political capacity to produce the basic changes needed in our
international economic agendas and in our institutions of
governance."
Strong has established what could be the global headquarters for the
New Age movement in the San Luis Valley of Colorado at the foot of the
Sangre de Cristo Mountains near Crestone, Colorado. He and his
occultic wife, Hanne, call the Baca an international spiritual
community which they hope will serve as a model for the way the world
should be if humankind is to survive - a sort of United Nations of
religious beliefs. The Baca (as the center is called) is replete with
monasteries; the Haidakhrndi Universal Ashram, a Vedic temple where
devotees worship the Vedic mother goddess; amulet-carrying Native
American shamans; a $175,000 solar-powered Hindu temple; a mustard-
yellow tower called a ziggurat; a subterranean Zen Buddhist center
complete with a computer and organic gardens; a house full of
thousands of crystals; and even Shirley MacLaine and her New Age
followers.
In 1978, a mystic informed Hanne and Maurice Strong that "the Baca
would become the center for a new planetary order which would evolve
from the economic collapse and environmental catastrophes that would
sweep the globe in the years to come." The Strongs say they see the
Baca, which they call 'The Valley Of the Refuge Of World Truths '",as
the paradigm for the entire planet and say that the fate of the earth
is at stake. Shirley MacLaine agrees - her astrologer told her to move
to the Baca, and she did. She is building a New Age study center at
the Baca where people can take short week-long courses on the occult!
Apparently, the Kissingers, the Rockefellers, the McNamaras, the
Rothschild's, and other Establishment New World Order elitists all
agree as well, for they do their pilgrimage to the Baca - where
politics and the occult - the New World Order and the New Age - all
merge. Watch Maurice Strong and watch the Baca!
Much of the above information about the Strong and the Baca comes from
an interview entitled "The Wizard Of the Baca Grande," which Maurice
Strong conducted with WEST magazine of Alberta, Canada May 1990.
Strong concluded the interview with a thought provoking, apocalyptic
"Each year the World Economic Forum convenes in Davos, Switzerland.
Over a thousand CEOs, prime ministers, finance ministers, and leading
academics gather in February to attend meetings and set the economic
agendas for the year ahead.
What if a small group of these word leaders were to conclude that the
principle risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich
countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would
have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment.
Will they do it? Will the rich countries agree to reduce their impact
on the environment? Will they agree to save the earth?
The group's conclusion is 'no.' The rich countries won't do it. They
isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized
civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that
about?
This group of world leaders form a secret society to bring about a
world collapse. It's February. They're all at Davos. These aren't
terrorists - they're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in
the world's commodity and stock markets. They've engineered, using
their access to stock exchanges, and computers, and gold supplies, a
panic. Then they prevent the markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They have mercenaries who hold the rest of the world leaders at Davros
as hostage. The markets can't close. The rich countries...?" and
Strong makes a slight motion with his fingers as if he were flicking a
cigarette butt out of the window.
I sat there spellbound. This is not any story-teller talking. This is
Maurice Strong. He knows these world leaders. He is, in fact, co-
chairman of the Council of the World Economic Forum. He sits at the
fulcrum of power. He is in a position to do it.
The Earth Summit
"The Earth Summit must establish a whole new basis for relations
between rich and poor, North and South including a concerted attack on
poverty as a central priority for the 21st century. This is now as
imperative in terms of our environmental security as it is on moral
and humanitarian grounds. We owe at least this much to future
generations, from whom we have borrowed a fragile planet called
Earth."
-Maurice Strong
Billed as the "mother of all summits," with up to 40,000 government
officials and environmentalists from 167 countries in attendance, the
June 4-14 Earth Summit was the biggest gathering of world leaders ever
held. Described by Time magazine as a "New Age carnival," the summit
(and related activities) was attended by the Dalai Lama of Tibet,
thousands of New Agers and occultists (including John Denver and
Shirley MacLaine), numerous leftist groups, and virtually every
environmental group in the world - 7,892 non-governmental
organizations from 167 countries.
As the Wall Street Journal said: "The summit on Mother Nature was
asking: 'What is needed to save the world and how much is the world
willing to do to save itself?'" The Audubon Society called the Earth
Summit "the most important meeting in the history of mankind", and
"Nothing less than the fate of the planet is at stake... No place on
the planet can remain an island ofaffluence in a sea of misery...
We're either going to save Ihe world or no one will be saved. I think
we're at a real point of civilizalion change. We must, from here on
in, all go down the same path... There may not be another chance."
The Rocky Mountain News, in a May 31, 1992 article entitled "Agenda
"Who is killing planet earth? Styrofoam-crushing, beef-eating,
gasoline-guzzling, air conditioner-blasting Americans and their
partners in the developed nations? Rain forest-razing, sewer-fouling,
baby-booming peasants of the Third World? Air-poisoning, river-
killing, radioactive waste-leaking, dirty coal-burning denizens of
formerly communist Eastern European countries? All of us are killing
planet earth! "
Many environmentalist leaders touted the summit as an ecological
Bretton Woods, just as world leaders crafted the post-World War II
international financial system in New Hampshire, the leaders of the
post-Cold War era would lay the foundations for the "era of
sustainable development." Lester Brown, president of Worldwatch
Institute, said: "I think when we look back we will see the Rio
conference as the event that marked the end of an era and the start of
a new one." "
The Goals Of the Rio Earth Summit
The June Earth Summit in Rio was not just about the pseudo-
environmental crisis; it was not just about clean air, clean water,
acid rain, global warming, or endangered species: it was about massive
wealth redistribution from the industrial countries (i.e., the North)
to the Third World countries (i.e., the South) - from the rich to the
poor countries. It was about massive global socialisn people control,
and world government. It was also an unprecedented global media
platform, for militant anti- American eco-propaganda with emotional
diatribes about America's alleged crimes against the global
environment.
The summit was concerned with writing a World Constitution which will
deal with ways and means of eliminating pollution; cutting down the
alleged "global warming"; cutting down on the emission of carbon
dioxide; stalling the rate of ozone depletion; adopting plans to
prevent overpopulation, acid rain, nuclear fallout, and to promote
clean water and clean air; and depriving landowners ofthe right to use
their land in any manner other than that permitted by UNCED or its
A Massive Global Wealth Redistribution Scheme - Maurice Strong and
other summit leaders are demanding a $625 billion a year (for a
decade) wealth transfer from the so-called wealthy countries
(epitomized by the U.S.) to the so-called poor countries-with $125
billion per year coming from America. The U.S. is being pushed to
contribute $70 billion per year to this Third World Green fund (this
is in addition to the $55 billion we already pour out annually to
developing nations).
Imposition Of a System Of Global Environmental Regulation - including
onerous taxes on energy fuels, and on the populations of the United
States and other industrialized nations. The developed countries
should limit production and consumption, and cut back dramatically on
the use of the automobile, electrical appliances, air conditioning,
etc. The same formula for "sacrifice by the rich nations to save the
planet" was summarized well some 12 years earlier by Kansas Senator
James P. Pearson, who said: "Profits must be cut, comforts reduced,
taxes raised, sacrifices endured."
Elimination Of Property, Hunger, and Disease In The Third World - Only
if these are eliminated, the environmentalists say, will the poor
Third Worlders stop polluting planet earth.
Establishment Of a Global Environmental Protection Agency - to
duplicate the efforts of the American EPA on a worldwide basis and
prosecute environmental crimes on a global basis.
Population Control - is high on the Green agenda, although the issue
was low-profiled at the Earth Summit. Strict population control is
high on the agenda of UNCED and the Green movement. As the Greens see
it, there are too many people on Mother Earth (and the 5.4 billion
will double in the next 10 to 15 years); the more people there are,
the more pollution there is; the more highly- developed the people
are, the more resources they consume. So, one of UNCED and the Greens'
chief goals is to restrict population growth by whatever means
possible. Biology professor Garrett Harden (an influential Green
"lt is a mistake to think that we can control the greed of mankind in
the long run by an appeal to conscience. . . . The only way we can
cherish and nurture other and more precious freedoms is by
relinguishing the freedom to breed, and that very soon."
PaulHammond
2008-12-03 00:54:18 UTC
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http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML/Maurice-Strong/article1.html
In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World
Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats,
CEOs and politicians gather "to address global issues."
Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. "What
if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal
risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?...
In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope
for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't
it our responsibility to bring this about?"
That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's words coming out. But
this is no fictitious Bond movie villain speaking - it is the man who
chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is Kofi Annan's senior adviser.
"This group of world leaders forms a secret society to bring about an
economic collapse," continued Strong, warming to his fantasy. "It's
February. They're all at Davos. These aren't terrorists.
"They're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the world's
commodities and stock markets. They've engineered, using their access
to stock markets and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they
prevent the world's stock markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They hire mercenaries who hold the leaders at Davos as hostage. The
markets can't close..."
Strong catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like
this."
But is fantasizing about holding the world hostage, like Dr. Evil in
an Austin Powers movie, any less strange than Strong's other solutions
to environmental problems?
In 1972, as Strong organized the first environmental conference for
the UN, he granted an interview to the BBC. "I am convinced the
prophets of doom have to be taken seriously," he said.
http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/GeneralForum/1115.shtml
An excerpt from the article: In 1990, Strong told a reporter a
fantasy scenario for the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos,
Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats, CEOs and politicians gather "to
address global issues." Strong, naturally, is on the board of the
World Economic Forum. "What if a small group of these world leaders
were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the
actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the
group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to
bring this about?" That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's
words coming out. But this is no fictitious Bond movie villain
speaking - it is the man who chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is
Kofi Annan's senior adviser. "This group of world leaders forms a
secret society to bring about an economic collapse," continued Strong,
warming to his fantasy. "It's February. They're all at Davos. These
aren't terrorists. "They're world leaders. They have positioned
themselves in the world's commodities and stock markets. They've
engineered, using their access to stock markets and computers and gold
supplies, a panic. Then, they prevent the world's stock markets from
closing. They jam the gears. They hire mercenaries who hold the
leaders at Davos as hostage. The markets can't close..." Strong
catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like this."
Do you REALLY need to quote two copies of the same source, making the
very same overblown comparison with Blofeld the Bond villain?

Is it all that surprising to you that a high-up UN official thinks
that the world economy might be just a tad biased against the poor,
and that bringing down the capitalist system might be the only way to
restart the world economy on a fairer basis?

(that's what it seems to me his fantasy is about)

Or that surprising that Right-wing conspiracy theorists who call
themselves "UN-watch" or whatever who think that the UN is a dangerous
leftist organisation might find such words worrying?

btw - isn't it the case that YOU subscribe to the view that the world
economy is fixed in favour of the rich nations? I'm sure I've heard
you saying such things, in much more intemperate terms than these 1990
quotes from Mr Strong, in your various incarnations of rantings around
the internet.
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-03 08:08:51 UTC
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Post by PaulHammond
Do you REALLY need to quote two copies of the same source, making the
very same overblown comparison with Blofeld the Bond villain?
Yes.
Post by PaulHammond
Is it all that surprising to you that a high-up UN official thinks
that the world economy might be just a tad biased against the poor,
and that bringing down the capitalist system might be the only way to
restart the world economy on a fairer basis?
Interesting, so you clearly admit that this is an existing consensus
amongst UN bureaucrats and their NGOs; that they would deliberately
socially engineer market meltdowns and global economic crises
beginning in the industrialized countries.
Post by PaulHammond
Or that surprising that Right-wing conspiracy theorists who call
themselves "UN-watch" or whatever who think that the UN is a dangerous
leftist organisation might find such words worrying?
The UN is a dangerous organization of FASCIST GLOBALISTS - whether of
the right or the left - that is manipulated by the big powers to
rubber-stamp their own agendas.
Post by PaulHammond
btw - isn't it the case that YOU subscribe to the view that the world
economy is fixed in favour of the rich nations?
Yes, as is the UN. The only difference between Strong and I is that
unlike Strong I don't speak from two sides of my mouth. If Maurice
Strong is serious about helping less industralized nations and his
heart bleeds for the poor, let him give away his Colorado Springs New
Age Disneyland ranch; let him step down from all the boards he sits on
which rakes in for him 7-8 digit figure salaries per annum; let him
give away his private jet and countless properties he owns; in short,
let him give away a sizeable portion of his personal wealth. The fact
is modern philanthropy is a covenient gimmick and trick used by the
ultra-rich to fool suckers like you that they are good people. Paris
Hilton styles herself a philanthropist too, and as far as I am
concerned she has more integrity than he has - plus she is better to
look at than he is. It is all a PR exercise and nothing more.

Maurice Strong personally profiteered from the Iraqi "oil for food"
program, which is one reason he dares not set foot in the US and have
his sorry canacker ass hauled before a court and indicted. He has
spent his entire professional life cavorting with Rockefeller
Foundation hacks (as did Farzam Arbab) and other similar corporate
hacks of the international corporate gliterrati. This man is no real
socialist. He is at the very top of the blood-sucking chain inside the
multinational capitalist system. Besides, how many UN beaurocrats do
you know of who are also multi-millionaires, without having obtained
such money through means besides wheeling and dealing? Nada!

You are a joke, "Hammond." You consistently come here to publicly suck
the penis of some of the most vile, evil KKKunts on the planet. Keep
sucking away. One of these days you'll start to choke on all that
demon giz you regularly swallow, limey ponce.


W
PaulHammond
2008-12-04 23:15:34 UTC
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Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by PaulHammond
Do you REALLY need to quote two copies of the same source, making the
very same overblown comparison with Blofeld the Bond villain?
Yes.
No, actually you don't. This is what is known in the trade as a
RHETORICAL question.
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by PaulHammond
Is it all that surprising to you that a high-up UN official thinks
that the world economy might be just a tad biased against the poor,
and that bringing down the capitalist system might be the only way to
restart the world economy on a fairer basis?
Interesting, so you clearly admit that this is an existing consensus
amongst UN bureaucrats and their NGOs; that they would deliberately
socially engineer market meltdowns and global economic crises
beginning in the industrialized countries.
I don't see why you suggest that me saying this is an "admission" -
you clearly admit below that you agree with that argument!

It's an argument that there's something to - but I don't speak as some
kind of official spokesperson for the worlds NGOs!

The argument being "the world economy is biased against the poor" -
not that engineering a world meltdown would be a great idea - nice way
to distort what I said!
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by PaulHammond
Or that surprising that Right-wing conspiracy theorists who call
themselves "UN-watch" or whatever who think that the UN is a dangerous
leftist organisation might find such words worrying?
The UN is a dangerous organization of FASCIST GLOBALISTS - whether of
the right or the left - that is manipulated by the big powers to
rubber-stamp their own agendas.
That's why you like quoting the views of right-wing nutjobs, isn't
it. because you are one.
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by PaulHammond
btw - isn't it the case that YOU subscribe to the view that the world
economy is fixed in favour of the rich nations?
Yes, as is the UN. The only difference between Strong and I is that
unlike Strong I don't speak from two sides of my mouth.
Au contraire! You talk from two sides of your mouth every day!

But - if YOU subscribe to the view that the world economy is a rich-
mans club, why criticise Strong for believing that?
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
You are a joke, "Hammond." You consistently come here to publicly suck
the penis of some of the most vile, evil KKKunts on the planet. Keep
sucking away. One of these days you'll start to choke on all that
demon giz you regularly swallow, limey ponce.
You're obsessed with sucking men's penises aren't you?

What a joke you are, Dubya!
m***@gmail.com
2008-12-03 10:41:24 UTC
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Post by PaulHammond
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML/Maurice-Strong/article1.html
In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World
Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats,
CEOs and politicians gather "to address global issues."
Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. "What
if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal
risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?...
In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope
for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't
it our responsibility to bring this about?"
That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's words coming out. But
this is no fictitious Bond movie villain speaking - it is the man who
chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is Kofi Annan's senior adviser.
"This group of world leaders forms a secret society to bring about an
economic collapse," continued Strong, warming to his fantasy. "It's
February. They're all at Davos. These aren't terrorists.
"They're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the world's
commodities and stock markets. They've engineered, using their access
to stock markets and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they
prevent the world's stock markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They hire mercenaries who hold the leaders at Davos as hostage. The
markets can't close..."
Strong catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like
this."
But is fantasizing about holding the world hostage, like Dr. Evil in
an Austin Powers movie, any less strange than Strong's other solutions
to environmental problems?
In 1972, as Strong organized the first environmental conference for
the UN, he granted an interview to the BBC. "I am convinced the
prophets of doom have to be taken seriously," he said.
http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/GeneralForum/1115.shtml
An excerpt from the article:   In 1990, Strong told a reporter a
fantasy scenario for the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos,
Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats, CEOs and politicians gather "to
address global issues." Strong, naturally, is on the board of the
World Economic Forum. "What if a small group of these world leaders
were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the
actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the
group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to
bring this about?" That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's
words coming out. But this is no fictitious Bond movie villain
speaking - it is the man who chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is
Kofi Annan's senior adviser. "This group of world leaders forms a
secret society to bring about an economic collapse," continued Strong,
warming to his fantasy. "It's February. They're all at Davos. These
aren't terrorists. "They're world leaders. They have positioned
themselves in the world's commodities and stock markets. They've
engineered, using their access to stock markets and computers and gold
supplies, a panic. Then, they prevent the world's stock markets from
closing. They jam the gears. They hire mercenaries who hold the
leaders at Davos as hostage. The markets can't close..." Strong
catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like this."
Do you REALLY need to quote two copies of the same source, making the
very same overblown comparison with Blofeld the Bond villain?
Is it all that surprising to you that a high-up UN official thinks
that the world economy might be just a tad biased against the poor,
and that bringing down the capitalist system might be the only way to
restart the world economy on a fairer basis?
(that's what it seems to me his fantasy is about)
Or that surprising that Right-wing conspiracy theorists who call
themselves "UN-watch" or whatever who think that the UN is a dangerous
leftist organisation might find such words worrying?
btw - isn't it the case that YOU subscribe to the view that the world
economy is fixed in favour of the rich nations?  I'm sure I've heard
you saying such things, in much more intemperate terms than these 1990
quotes from Mr Strong, in your various incarnations of rantings around
the internet.
It amazes me, Paul. Whose side are you on here? What do actually stand
for, except trying to shoot down other people's criticism of the
Baha'i organization, and those potentially associated with some of its
genuinely suspicious activities? Regardless, the issues which are
being raised concerning the activities of Maurice Strong are closely
related to those issues being raised concerning the Baha'i
organization. And whilst they are expressed a certain way in this
context, in their proper context, these are not flimsy, ad-hoc
theories. Rather, they are aspects of a genuine dialogue regarding the
way certain types of complex relationship networks affect political
and social agendas. This fits under the broad category of Social
Network Theory, an important branch of which is the study of what
political science terms Revolving Door Politics, namely the study of
the continual cycling of particular individuals between the public and
private sectors, and the specific agendas/interests which are
maintained as result.

See Social Network Theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_network
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_door_(politics)

In this context, a very specific institutional agenda can potentially
be identified. Namely, that whilst creating the image that they are
part of the solution for certain social, economic and political
'status quos', including unfair distribution of wealth, gender
injustice, and environmentally irresponsible corporate activity, their
organizational mechanisms and methods of wielding influence actually
suggest a far different perspective. Rather than actually CHANGING
anything, they are merely attempting to create the ILLUSION OF CHANGE,
whilst preserving the interests of their own organizations. Whilst
Maurice Strong could be seen as championing a liberal, socially
responsible (even socialist), environmentally sensitive political and
institutional agenda (many of the principles of which I would totally
support in theory), his actions, both within bureaucratic and
corporate/financial institutions, suggest that he is involved in a
wider process designed to ensure a smooth transition of power within a
certain corporate and financial elite. Granted, he may create certain
small changes in corporate environmental policy along the way, but
ultimately there as long as there is nothing to lose by making these
concessions (or creating the illusion of them) the staus quo of the
power elite essentially remains the same. Such strategies need not
suggest anything massively conspiratorial beyond the simple raison
d'tre of the corporate model, which most people no not fully
understand anyway. If a lot of people don't fully understand (or want
to understand) the way institutional power operates, there's not
really that much need for conspiracy.

For example, ExxonMobil has been responsible for enormous
environmental depletion and damage. Suppose, for reasons of simple
long-term economic survival, it seeks to shift to supposedly 'clean'
energy and associated industries. This is,
1) preceded by a shift in corporate image, assisted not only by
marketing, but by its association with amiable NGO/philanthropic
groups who benefit from it financially,
2) guaranteed continued support within political institutions by
astute mediation by the likes of Maurice Strong and other powerful
people who move easily between the private and public sectors, and sit
on more advisory boards than you can poke a stick at, and
3) engineered purely as a means of corporate survival and maintenance
of an economic status quo. The market changes, change your product as
much as you can to its needs, but only enough so that it continues to
support your company without affecting the bottom line,

What exactly is the problem with the pattern of corporate involvement
that seemingly occurs within the Baha'i organization, and why should
its corporate and political associations be continually questioned?
Baha'i prophecy/philosophy 101: A NEW BAHA'I WORLD ORDER- (n.b. before
you launch a simplistic 'conspiracy theory' attack against these
terms, note well the context in which I'm discussing it.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(Bahá'í)

"Some of the principles outlined in the New World Order include
universal peace; the unity of religion; the setting up a world
government which could enact laws required to satisfy the needs of all
people; an elected world parliament; a binding world tribunal; a world
police force; a universal bill of human rights; the universal right to
education; the setting up of an auxiliary universal language, the
continued diversity of culture; a system of world commerce through the
establishment of an equitable economic system where the economic
security of the individual is assured.[4][5]
[edit]"

This is the openly discussed goal of the Baha'i organization. There
can be little doubt that ushering in and occupying a central part in
such a vision takes enormous financial and political resources. Yet,
people on this board get up in arms when the power structures behind
this vision are criticized, or when people raise the fact that every
single aspect of the way power is wielded in such an organization
should be brought under the closest possible scrutiny, in order to
prevent potential corruption within such a massive, over-arching
system of power. What is described here IS the VERY ORWELLIAN REALITY
that conspiracy theorists talk about! World Police! World Bank! World
Laws! Do not be alarmed- continue enjoying your economic equality/
prosperity! Of course the 'government' of this system talks about
universal justice, human rights, economic opportunity- you gotta sell
the thing somehow! Yet, people on this board act all surprised when
'theories' are raised regarding exactly how such a vision would be
realized, or the potential problems behind it. This is on organization
that SHOULD have every possible angle of its reasoning questioned and
scrutinized to the highest degree when it envisages such a HUGE agenda
as this.

As for the Baha'is having no particular part in the political process
of this "New World Order" (as so many claim with mind blowing
incredulity), given the way the organization courts governments, lobby
groups, corporations and NGO groups, the idea that CERTAIN OF THEIR
MEMBERS AND INSTITUTIONAL ARMS have no significant power or influence
is utterly beyond belief. Does this implicate every single Baha'i in
some nefarious worldwide plan? Of course not. Does this make simply
being a Baha'i a crime? Of course it doesn't. What is in question is
the role of the greater Baha'i organization, and those of its members
and networks that posses particular instruments of influence and
power. The activities undertaken at the Tahirih Justice Center are
symptomatic of an extreme brand of corporate nepotism, and
demonstrative of a highly organized pandering to an Anglo-American
corporatist/political power bloc. You cannot claim to be genuinely
changing/challenging any aspects of a system of injustice and
oppression if you are even tangentially involved with the goals and
strategies of the very corporate institutions that have been largely
responsible for the maintenance of those elitist power structures.
These corporations have been, and must continue to be held CRIMINALLY
RESPONSIBLE for their actions, and not just be able to avoid the
consequences of prior activities by paying financially expedient
'token' malpractice fines (if you've seen "The Corporation", you'll
know what I mean). Neither must they be allowed to simply absolve
themselves of corporate malpractice within the sphere of public
morality simply by manipulating their corporate image through positive
association with philanthropic entities. The much talked about but,
but ultimately widely misunderstood Rockefeller Foundation is one of
the masters of corporate philanthropy, and yet is being increasingly
implicated in the very subtle, yet monumentally potent forces of
DEMOCRACY MANIPULATION. These are not your common garden variety
conspiracy theories, devoid of any real sophistication. These are the
very real, evidentially verifiable movements of corporate subversion
and political corruption.

See (just for a start- plenty of book references on the topic to post
if required):

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Rockefeller_Foundation

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=National_Endowment_for_Democracy

So what's the problem with certain NGO activism? Simply put, what good
is holding some self-congratulatory, back-slapping, hot-air filled
summit/conference/consulting group/think-tank/roundtable discussion on
climate change/environmental policy/gender injustice/corporate
responsibility when you continue to participate in the complex
corporate agendas of the very companies responsible. HOLD THEM
CRIMINALLY ACCOUNTABLE, FORCE THEM TO CHANGE, BE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND
THAT SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE AND SPIRITUAL INSTITUTIONS CLAIM TO BE-
DON'T ACCEPT THEIR MONEY! (By the way, the whole 'that's a naive way
to think', or 'they're changing the system from within its own
parameters' argument does not follow from this).

Back to Maurice Strong. Let me tell you, it is most certainly not just
“right-wing conspiracy nuts” who perceive a problem with both the UN
and a number of related global organizations. In fact, a lot of the
criticism in academic circles (which I won't assume you've read, Paul,
or you wouldn't be using such loose and unsophisticated instruments of
political and structural analysis) comes from the very areas of the
political spectrum that would seemingly support (at least in
principle) many of the things that M.Strong et al claim to be fighting
for. Deep, structural analyses of political and economic systems, and
the behavior of philanthropic and NGO groups within them reveal
complex models of power that are not products of delusional,
conspiratorial political radicals. Funny how little credence is given
to the genius of highly-sophisticated methods of corporate control and
propaganda, how easily the mask of philanthropy and service to higher
ideals is taken at face value, and how quickly people are to term as
'ranting conspiracy theorists' those who sense something deeply wrong
with the picture presented by these models, even at an intuitive
level. But then again, that works just fine for the status quo of the
power elite.


Why do people like myself and Wahid criticize these groups (ie certain
NGO's and the Baha'i organization) and their motives? Not because we
fundamentally disagree with the principles behind the social interests
they claim to serve, but because we believe they have been, and
continue to be, corrupted at a fundamental level that, conspiratorial
or otherwise, is homage to the enormous power of the highly-complex,
well-honed mechanisms of self-serving corporate influence. Regarding
the Baha'i organization, the platitudes of love, peace and justice
(terms often employed in highly superficial ways), and the bodies that
will supposedly enact these principles appear to be a similarly
complex, rigorously enforced system that is, in essence, no different
from that of the aforementioned self-serving corporate bodies. A
monster that, whatever it may claim about the purity of its intent and
structure, has willingly capitulated to endemic corporate greed,
cynicism and institutional and political nepotism of the highest
degree.


As for the Baha'is having no particular part in the political process
of this "New World Order", given the way the organization courts
governments, lobby groups, corporations and NGO groups, the idea that
CERTAIN OF THEIR MEMBERS AND INSTITUTIONAL ARMS have no significant
power or influence is utterly beyond belief. Does this implicate every
single Baha'i in some nefarious worldwide plan? Of course not. Does
this make simply being a Baha'i a crime? Of course it doesn't. What is
in question is the role of the greater Baha'i organization, and those
of its members and networks that posses particular instruments of
influence. The activities undertaken at the Tahirih Justice Center are
symptomatic of an extreme brand of corporate nepotism, and
demonstrative of a highly organized pandering to an anglo-american
corporatist/political power bloc. You cannot claim to be genuinely
changing/challenging any aspects of a system of injustice and
oppression if you are even tangentially involved with the goals and
strategies of the very corporate institutions that have been largely
responsible for the maintenance of those elitist power structures.
These corporations have been, and must continue to be held CRIMINALLY
RESPONSIBLE for their actions, and not just be able to avoid the
consequences of prior activities by paying financially expedient
'token' malpractice fines (if you've seen "The Corporation", you'll
know what I mean). Neither must they be allowed to simply absolve
themselves of corporate malpractice within the sphere of public
morality simply by manipulating their corporate image through positive
association with philanthropic entities. For example, the Rockfeller
Foundation is one of the masters of corporate philanthropy, and yet is
being increasingly implicated in the very subtle, yet monumentally
potent forces of DEMOCRACY MANIPULATION. These are not your common
garden variety conspiracy theories, devoid of any real sophistication.
These are the very real, evidentially verifiable movements of
corporate subversion and political corruption.

See (just for a start- plenty of book references on the topic to post
if required):

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Rockefeller_Foundation

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=National_Endowment_for_Democracy

So what's the problem with certain NGO activism? Simply put, what good
is holding some self-congratulatory, back slapping, hot-air filled
summit/conference/consulting group/think-tank/roundtable discussion on
climate change/environmental policy/gender injustice/corporate
responsibility when you continue to participate in the complex
corporate agendas of the very companies responsible. HOLD THEM
CRIMINALLY ACCOUNTABLE, FORCE THEM TO CHANGE, BE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND
THAT SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE AND SPIRITUAL INSTITUTIONS CLAIM TO BE-
DON'T ACCEPT THEIR MONEY! (By the way, the whole 'that's a naive way
to think', or 'they're changing the system from within its own
parameters' argument does not follow from this).

Back to Maurice Strong. Let me tell you, it is most certainly not just
right-wing conspiracy nuts who perceive a problem with both the UN and
a number of related global organizations. In fact, a lot of the
criticism in academic circles (which I won't assume you've read, Paul,
or you wouldn't be using such loose and unsophisticated instruments of
political and structural analysis) comes from the very areas of the
political spectrum that would seemingly support (at least in
principle) many of the things that M.Strong et al claim to be fighting
for. Deep, structural analyses of political and economic systems, and
the behavior of philanthropic and NGO groups within them reveal
complex models of power that are not products of delusional,
conspiratorial political radicals. Funny how little credence is given
to the genius of highly-sophisticated methods of corporate control and
propaganda, how easily the mask of philanthropy and service to higher
ideals is taken at face value, and how quickly people are to term as
'ranting conspiracy theorists' those who sense something deeply wrong
with the picture presented by these models, even at an intuitive
level. But then again, that works just fine for the status quo of the
power elite.


Why do people like myself and Wahid criticize and scrutinize these
groups (ie certain NGO's and the Baha'i organization) and their
motives? Not because we fundamentally disagree with the principles
behind the social interests they claim to serve (in fact, quite the
opposite at times), but because we believe they have been, and
continue to be, corrupted at a fundamental level that, conspiratorial
or otherwise, is homage to the enormous power of the highly-complex,
well-honed mechanisms of self-serving corporate influence. Regarding
the Baha'i organization, the platitudes of love, peace and justice
(terms often employed in highly superficial ways), and the bodies that
will supposedly enact these principles appear to represent a similarly
complex, rigorously enforced system that is, in essence, no different
from that of the aforementioned self-serving corporatism. Beneath the
surface there is a monster that, whatever it may claim about the
purity of its intent and structure, has willingly capitulated to
endemic corporate greed, cynicism and institutional and political
nepotism of the highest degree.
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-03 10:59:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by m***@gmail.com
Post by PaulHammond
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML/Maurice-Strong/article1.html
In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World
Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats,
CEOs and politicians gather "to address global issues."
Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. "What
if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal
risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?...
In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope
for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't
it our responsibility to bring this about?"
That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's words coming out. But
this is no fictitious Bond movie villain speaking - it is the man who
chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is Kofi Annan's senior adviser.
"This group of world leaders forms a secret society to bring about an
economic collapse," continued Strong, warming to his fantasy. "It's
February. They're all at Davos. These aren't terrorists.
"They're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the world's
commodities and stock markets. They've engineered, using their access
to stock markets and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they
prevent the world's stock markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They hire mercenaries who hold the leaders at Davos as hostage. The
markets can't close..."
Strong catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like
this."
But is fantasizing about holding the world hostage, like Dr. Evil in
an Austin Powers movie, any less strange than Strong's other solutions
to environmental problems?
In 1972, as Strong organized the first environmental conference for
the UN, he granted an interview to the BBC. "I am convinced the
prophets of doom have to be taken seriously," he said.
http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/GeneralForum/1115.shtml
An excerpt from the article:   In 1990, Strong told a reporter a
fantasy scenario for the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos,
Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats, CEOs and politicians gather "to
address global issues." Strong, naturally, is on the board of the
World Economic Forum. "What if a small group of these world leaders
were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the
actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the
group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to
bring this about?" That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's
words coming out. But this is no fictitious Bond movie villain
speaking - it is the man who chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is
Kofi Annan's senior adviser. "This group of world leaders forms a
secret society to bring about an economic collapse," continued Strong,
warming to his fantasy. "It's February. They're all at Davos. These
aren't terrorists. "They're world leaders. They have positioned
themselves in the world's commodities and stock markets. They've
engineered, using their access to stock markets and computers and gold
supplies, a panic. Then, they prevent the world's stock markets from
closing. They jam the gears. They hire mercenaries who hold the
leaders at Davos as hostage. The markets can't close..." Strong
catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like this."
Do you REALLY need to quote two copies of the same source, making the
very same overblown comparison with Blofeld the Bond villain?
Is it all that surprising to you that a high-up UN official thinks
that the world economy might be just a tad biased against the poor,
and that bringing down the capitalist system might be the only way to
restart the world economy on a fairer basis?
(that's what it seems to me his fantasy is about)
Or that surprising that Right-wing conspiracy theorists who call
themselves "UN-watch" or whatever who think that the UN is a dangerous
leftist organisation might find such words worrying?
btw - isn't it the case that YOU subscribe to the view that the world
economy is fixed in favour of the rich nations?  I'm sure I've heard
you saying such things, in much more intemperate terms than these 1990
quotes from Mr Strong, in your various incarnations of rantings around
the internet.
It amazes me, Paul. Whose side are you on here? What do actually stand
for, except trying to shoot down other people's criticism of the
Baha'i organization, and those potentially associated with some of its
genuinely suspicious activities?  Regardless, the issues which are
being raised concerning the activities of Maurice Strong are closely
related to those issues being raised concerning the Baha'i
organization. And whilst they are expressed a certain way in this
context, in their proper context, these are not flimsy, ad-hoc
theories. Rather, they are aspects of a genuine dialogue regarding the
way certain types of complex relationship networks affect political
and social agendas. This fits under the broad category of Social
Network Theory, an important branch of which is the study of what
political science terms Revolving Door Politics, namely the study of
the continual cycling of particular individuals between the public and
private sectors, and the specific agendas/interests which are
maintained as result.
See Social Network Theory:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_networkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_door_(politics)
In this context, a very specific institutional agenda can potentially
be  identified. Namely, that whilst creating the image that they are
part of the solution for certain social, economic and political
'status quos', including unfair distribution of wealth, gender
injustice, and environmentally irresponsible corporate activity, their
organizational mechanisms and methods of wielding influence actually
suggest a far different perspective. Rather than actually CHANGING
anything, they are merely attempting to create the ILLUSION OF CHANGE,
whilst preserving the interests of their own organizations. Whilst
Maurice Strong could be seen as championing a liberal, socially
responsible (even socialist), environmentally sensitive political and
institutional agenda (many of the principles of which I would totally
support in theory), his actions, both within bureaucratic and
corporate/financial institutions, suggest that he is involved in a
wider process designed to ensure a smooth transition of power within a
certain corporate and financial elite. Granted, he may create certain
small changes in corporate environmental policy along the way, but
ultimately there as long as there is nothing to lose by making these
concessions (or creating the illusion of them) the staus quo of the
power elite essentially remains the same. Such strategies need not
suggest anything massively conspiratorial beyond the simple raison
d'tre of the corporate model, which most people no not fully
understand anyway. If a lot of people don't fully understand (or want
to understand) the way institutional power operates, there's not
really that much need for conspiracy.
For example, ExxonMobil has been responsible for enormous
environmental depletion and damage. Suppose, for reasons of simple
long-term economic survival, it seeks to shift to supposedly 'clean'
energy and associated industries. This is,
1) preceded by a shift in corporate image, assisted not only by
marketing, but by its association with amiable NGO/philanthropic
groups who benefit from it financially,
2) guaranteed continued support within political institutions by
astute mediation by the likes of Maurice Strong and other powerful
people who move easily between the private and public sectors, and sit
on more advisory boards than you can poke a stick at, and
3) engineered purely as a means of corporate survival and maintenance
of an economic status quo. The market changes, change your product as
much as you can to its needs, but only enough so that it continues to
support your company without affecting the bottom line,
What exactly is the problem with the pattern of corporate involvement
that seemingly occurs within the Baha'i organization, and why should
its corporate and political associations be continually questioned?
Baha'i prophecy/philosophy 101: A NEW BAHA'I WORLD ORDER- (n.b. before
you launch a simplistic 'conspiracy theory' attack against these
terms, note well the context in which I'm discussing it.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(Bahá'í)
"Some of the principles outlined in the New World Order include
universal peace; the unity of religion; the setting up a world
government which could enact laws required to satisfy the needs of all
people; an elected world parliament; a binding world tribunal; a world
police force; a universal bill of human rights; the universal right to
education; the setting up of an auxiliary universal language, the
continued diversity of culture; a system of world commerce through the
establishment of an equitable economic system where the economic
security of the individual is assured.[4][5]
[edit]"
This is the openly discussed goal of the Baha'i organization. There
can be little doubt that ushering in and occupying a central part in
such a vision takes enormous financial and political resources. Yet,
people on this board get up in arms when the power structures behind
this vision are criticized, or when people raise the fact that every
single aspect of the way power is wielded in such an organization
should be brought under the closest possible scrutiny, in order to
prevent potential corruption within such a massive, over-arching
system of power. What is described here IS the VERY ORWELLIAN REALITY
that conspiracy theorists talk about! World Police! World Bank! World
Laws! Do not be alarmed- continue enjoying your economic equality/
prosperity! Of course the 'government' of this system talks about
universal justice, human rights, economic opportunity- you gotta sell
the thing somehow! Yet, people on this board act all surprised when
'theories' are raised regarding exactly how such a vision would be
realized, or the potential problems behind it. This is on organization
that SHOULD have every possible angle of its reasoning questioned and
scrutinized to the highest degree when it envisages such a HUGE agenda
as this.
As for the Baha'is having no particular part in the political process
of this "New World Order" (as so many claim with mind blowing
incredulity), given the way the organization courts governments, lobby
groups, corporations and NGO groups, the idea that CERTAIN OF THEIR
MEMBERS AND INSTITUTIONAL ARMS have no significant power or influence
is utterly beyond belief. Does this implicate every single Baha'i in
some nefarious worldwide plan? Of course not. Does this make simply
being a Baha'i a crime? Of course it doesn't. What is in question is
the role of the greater Baha'i organization, and those of its members
and networks that posses particular instruments of influence and
power. The activities undertaken at the Tahirih Justice Center are
symptomatic of an extreme brand of corporate nepotism, and
demonstrative of a highly organized pandering to an Anglo-American
corporatist/political power bloc. You cannot claim to be genuinely
changing/challenging any aspects of a system of injustice and
oppression if you are even tangentially involved with the goals and
strategies of the very corporate institutions that have been largely
responsible for the maintenance of those elitist power structures.
These corporations have been, and must continue to be held CRIMINALLY
RESPONSIBLE for their actions, and not just be able to avoid the
consequences of prior activities by paying financially expedient
'token' malpractice fines (if you've seen "The Corporation", you'll
know what I mean).  Neither must they be allowed to simply absolve
themselves of corporate malpractice within the sphere of public
morality simply by manipulating their corporate image through positive
association with philanthropic entities. The much talked about but,
but ultimately widely misunderstood Rockefeller Foundation is one of
the masters of corporate philanthropy, and yet is being increasingly
implicated in the very subtle, yet monumentally potent forces of
DEMOCRACY MANIPULATION. These are not your common garden variety
conspiracy theories, devoid of any real sophistication. These are the
very real, evidentially verifiable movements of corporate subversion
and political corruption.
See (just for a start- plenty of book references on the topic to post
 http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Rockefeller_Foundation
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=National_Endowment_for_Dem...
So what's the problem with certain NGO activism? Simply put, what good
is holding some self-congratulatory, back-slapping, hot-air filled
summit/conference/consulting group/think-tank/roundtable discussion on
climate change/environmental policy/gender injustice/corporate
responsibility when you continue to participate in the complex
corporate agendas of the very companies responsible. HOLD THEM
CRIMINALLY ACCOUNTABLE, FORCE THEM TO CHANGE, BE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND
THAT SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE AND SPIRITUAL INSTITUTIONS CLAIM TO BE-
DON'T ACCEPT THEIR MONEY! (By the way, the whole 'that's a naive way
to think', or 'they're changing the  system from within its own
parameters' argument does not follow from this).
Back to Maurice Strong. Let me tell you, it is most certainly not just
“right-wing conspiracy nuts” who perceive a problem with both the UN
and a number of related global organizations.  In fact, a lot of the
criticism in academic circles (which I won't assume you've read, Paul,
or you wouldn't be using such loose and unsophisticated instruments of
political and structural analysis) comes from the very areas of the
political spectrum that would seemingly support (at least in
principle) many of the things that M.Strong et al claim to be fighting
for. Deep, structural analyses of political and economic systems, and
the behavior of philanthropic and NGO groups within them reveal
complex models of power that are not products of delusional,
conspiratorial political radicals. Funny how little credence is given
to the genius of highly-sophisticated methods of corporate control and
propaganda, how easily the mask of philanthropy and service to higher
ideals is taken at face value, and how quickly people are to term as
'ranting conspiracy theorists' those who sense something deeply wrong
with the picture presented by these models, even at an intuitive
level. But then again, that works just fine for the status quo of the
power elite.
Why do people like myself and Wahid criticize these groups (ie certain
NGO's and the Baha'i organization) and their motives? Not because we
fundamentally disagree with the principles behind the social interests
they claim to serve, but because we believe they have been, and
continue to be, corrupted at a fundamental level that, conspiratorial
or otherwise, is homage to the enormous power of the highly-complex,
well-honed mechanisms of self-serving corporate influence. Regarding
the Baha'i organization, the platitudes of love, peace and justice
(terms often employed in highly superficial ways), and the bodies that
will supposedly enact these principles appear to be a similarly
complex, rigorously enforced system that is, in essence, no different
from that of the aforementioned self-serving corporate bodies. A
monster that, whatever it may claim about the purity of its intent and
structure, has willingly capitulated to endemic corporate greed,
cynicism and institutional and political nepotism of the highest
degree.
As for the Baha'is having no particular part in the political process
of this "New World Order", given the way the organization courts
governments, lobby groups, corporations and NGO groups, the idea that
CERTAIN OF THEIR MEMBERS AND INSTITUTIONAL ARMS have no significant
power or influence is utterly beyond belief. Does this implicate every
single Baha'i in some nefarious worldwide plan? Of course not. Does
this make simply being a Baha'i a crime? Of course it doesn't. What is
in question is the role of the greater Baha'i organization, and those
of its members and networks that posses particular instruments of
influence. The activities undertaken at the Tahirih Justice Center are
symptomatic of an extreme brand of corporate nepotism, and
demonstrative of a highly organized pandering to an anglo-american
corporatist/political power bloc. You cannot claim to be genuinely
changing/challenging any aspects of a system of injustice and
oppression if you are even tangentially involved with the goals and
strategies of the very corporate institutions that have been largely
responsible for the maintenance of those elitist power structures.
These corporations have been, and must continue to be held CRIMINALLY
RESPONSIBLE for their actions, and not just be able to avoid the
consequences of prior activities by paying financially expedient
'token' malpractice fines (if you've seen "The Corporation", you'll
know what I mean).  Neither must they be allowed to simply absolve
themselves of corporate malpractice within the sphere of public
morality simply by manipulating their corporate image through positive
association with philanthropic entities. For example, the Rockfeller
Foundation is one of the masters of corporate philanthropy, and yet is
being increasingly implicated in the very subtle, yet monumentally
potent forces of DEMOCRACY MANIPULATION. These are not your common
garden variety conspiracy theories, devoid of any real sophistication.
These are the very real, evidentially verifiable movements of
corporate subversion and political corruption.
See (just for a start- plenty of book references on the topic to post
 http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Rockefeller_Foundation
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=National_Endowment_for_Dem...
So what's the problem with certain NGO activism? Simply put, what good
is holding some self-congratulatory, back slapping, hot-air filled
summit/conference/consulting group/think-tank/roundtable discussion on
climate change/environmental policy/gender injustice/corporate
responsibility when you continue to participate in the complex
corporate agendas of the very companies responsible. HOLD THEM
CRIMINALLY ACCOUNTABLE, FORCE THEM TO CHANGE, BE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND
THAT SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE AND SPIRITUAL INSTITUTIONS CLAIM TO BE-
DON'T ACCEPT THEIR MONEY! (By the way, the whole 'that's a naive way
to think', or 'they're changing the  system from within its own
parameters' argument does not follow from this).
Back to Maurice Strong. Let me tell you, it is most certainly not just
right-wing conspiracy nuts who perceive a problem with both the UN and
a number of related global organizations.   In fact, a lot of the
criticism in academic circles (which I won't assume you've read, Paul,
or you wouldn't be using such loose and unsophisticated instruments of
political and structural analysis) comes from the very areas of the
political spectrum that would seemingly support (at least in
principle) many of the things that M.Strong et al claim to be fighting
for. Deep, structural analyses of political and economic systems, and
the behavior of philanthropic and NGO groups within them reveal
complex models of power that are not products of delusional,
conspiratorial political radicals. Funny how little credence is given
to the genius of highly-sophisticated methods of corporate control and
propaganda, how easily the mask of philanthropy and service to higher
ideals is taken at face value, and how quickly people are to term as
'ranting conspiracy theorists' those who sense something deeply wrong
with the picture presented by these models, even at an intuitive
level. But then again, that works just fine for the status quo of the
power elite.
Why do people like myself and Wahid  criticize and scrutinize these
groups (ie certain NGO's and the Baha'i organization) and their
motives? Not because we fundamentally disagree with the principles
behind the social interests they claim to serve (in fact, quite the
opposite at times), but because we believe they have been, and
continue to be, corrupted at a fundamental level that, conspiratorial
or otherwise, is homage to the enormous power of the highly-complex,
well-honed mechanisms of self-serving corporate influence. Regarding
the Baha'i organization, the platitudes of love, peace and justice
(terms often employed in highly superficial ways), and the bodies that
will supposedly enact these principles appear to represent a similarly
complex, rigorously enforced system that is, in essence, no different
from that of the aforementioned self-serving corporatism. Beneath the
surface there is a monster that, whatever it may claim about the
purity of its intent and structure, has willingly capitulated to
endemic corporate greed, cynicism and institutional and political
nepotism of the highest degree.
All Bad
2008-12-03 12:12:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by PaulHammond
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML/Maurice-Strong/article1.html
In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World
Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats,
CEOs and politicians gather "to address global issues."
Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. "What
if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal
risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?...
In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope
for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't
it our responsibility to bring this about?"
That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's words coming out. But
this is no fictitious Bond movie villain speaking - it is the man who
chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is Kofi Annan's senior adviser.
"This group of world leaders forms a secret society to bring about an
economic collapse," continued Strong, warming to his fantasy. "It's
February. They're all at Davos. These aren't terrorists.
"They're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the world's
commodities and stock markets. They've engineered, using their access
to stock markets and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they
prevent the world's stock markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They hire mercenaries who hold the leaders at Davos as hostage. The
markets can't close..."
Strong catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like
this."
But is fantasizing about holding the world hostage, like Dr. Evil in
an Austin Powers movie, any less strange than Strong's other solutions
to environmental problems?
In 1972, as Strong organized the first environmental conference for
the UN, he granted an interview to the BBC. "I am convinced the
prophets of doom have to be taken seriously," he said.
http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/GeneralForum/1115.shtml
An excerpt from the article: In 1990, Strong told a reporter a
fantasy scenario for the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos,
Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats, CEOs and politicians gather "to
address global issues." Strong, naturally, is on the board of the
World Economic Forum. "What if a small group of these world leaders
were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the
actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the
group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to
bring this about?" That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's
words coming out. But this is no fictitious Bond movie villain
speaking - it is the man who chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is
Kofi Annan's senior adviser. "This group of world leaders forms a
secret society to bring about an economic collapse," continued Strong,
warming to his fantasy. "It's February. They're all at Davos. These
aren't terrorists. "They're world leaders. They have positioned
themselves in the world's commodities and stock markets. They've
engineered, using their access to stock markets and computers and gold
supplies, a panic. Then, they prevent the world's stock markets from
closing. They jam the gears. They hire mercenaries who hold the
leaders at Davos as hostage. The markets can't close..." Strong
catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like this."
Do you REALLY need to quote two copies of the same source, making the
very same overblown comparison with Blofeld the Bond villain?
Is it all that surprising to you that a high-up UN official thinks
that the world economy might be just a tad biased against the poor,
and that bringing down the capitalist system might be the only way to
restart the world economy on a fairer basis?
(that's what it seems to me his fantasy is about)
Or that surprising that Right-wing conspiracy theorists who call
themselves "UN-watch" or whatever who think that the UN is a dangerous
leftist organisation might find such words worrying?
btw - isn't it the case that YOU subscribe to the view that the world
economy is fixed in favour of the rich nations? I'm sure I've heard
you saying such things, in much more intemperate terms than these 1990
quotes from Mr Strong, in your various incarnations of rantings around
the internet.
It amazes me, Paul. Whose side are you on here? What do actually stand

AB:

Bill Ayers! I thought that was you. I asked about your charities (Weather
Underground Orphans and Widows, as well as miscellaneous education reform
initiatives) and now I realize you could not answer that question w/o
blowing your cover.

AB:

Your stand has simply been against the Bahooveyeyeys and your posture is
always stooping to sling mud, wherever you find it.

- All Bad

for, except trying to shoot down other people's criticism of the
Baha'i organization, and those potentially associated with some of its
genuinely suspicious activities? Regardless, the issues which are
being raised concerning the activities of Maurice Strong are closely
related to those issues being raised concerning the Baha'i
organization. And whilst they are expressed a certain way in this
context, in their proper context, these are not flimsy, ad-hoc
theories. Rather, they are aspects of a genuine dialogue regarding the
way certain types of complex relationship networks affect political
and social agendas. This fits under the broad category of Social
Network Theory, an important branch of which is the study of what
political science terms Revolving Door Politics, namely the study of
the continual cycling of particular individuals between the public and
private sectors, and the specific agendas/interests which are
maintained as result.

See Social Network Theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_network
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_door_(politics)

In this context, a very specific institutional agenda can potentially
be identified. Namely, that whilst creating the image that they are
part of the solution for certain social, economic and political
'status quos', including unfair distribution of wealth, gender
injustice, and environmentally irresponsible corporate activity, their
organizational mechanisms and methods of wielding influence actually
suggest a far different perspective. Rather than actually CHANGING
anything, they are merely attempting to create the ILLUSION OF CHANGE,
whilst preserving the interests of their own organizations. Whilst
Maurice Strong could be seen as championing a liberal, socially
responsible (even socialist), environmentally sensitive political and
institutional agenda (many of the principles of which I would totally
support in theory), his actions, both within bureaucratic and
corporate/financial institutions, suggest that he is involved in a
wider process designed to ensure a smooth transition of power within a
certain corporate and financial elite. Granted, he may create certain
small changes in corporate environmental policy along the way, but
ultimately there as long as there is nothing to lose by making these
concessions (or creating the illusion of them) the staus quo of the
power elite essentially remains the same. Such strategies need not
suggest anything massively conspiratorial beyond the simple raison
d'tre of the corporate model, which most people no not fully
understand anyway. If a lot of people don't fully understand (or want
to understand) the way institutional power operates, there's not
really that much need for conspiracy.

For example, ExxonMobil has been responsible for enormous
environmental depletion and damage. Suppose, for reasons of simple
long-term economic survival, it seeks to shift to supposedly 'clean'
energy and associated industries. This is,
1) preceded by a shift in corporate image, assisted not only by
marketing, but by its association with amiable NGO/philanthropic
groups who benefit from it financially,
2) guaranteed continued support within political institutions by
astute mediation by the likes of Maurice Strong and other powerful
people who move easily between the private and public sectors, and sit
on more advisory boards than you can poke a stick at, and
3) engineered purely as a means of corporate survival and maintenance
of an economic status quo. The market changes, change your product as
much as you can to its needs, but only enough so that it continues to
support your company without affecting the bottom line,

What exactly is the problem with the pattern of corporate involvement
that seemingly occurs within the Baha'i organization, and why should
its corporate and political associations be continually questioned?
Baha'i prophecy/philosophy 101: A NEW BAHA'I WORLD ORDER- (n.b. before
you launch a simplistic 'conspiracy theory' attack against these
terms, note well the context in which I'm discussing it.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(Bahá'í)

"Some of the principles outlined in the New World Order include
universal peace; the unity of religion; the setting up a world
government which could enact laws required to satisfy the needs of all
people; an elected world parliament; a binding world tribunal; a world
police force; a universal bill of human rights; the universal right to
education; the setting up of an auxiliary universal language, the
continued diversity of culture; a system of world commerce through the
establishment of an equitable economic system where the economic
security of the individual is assured.[4][5]
[edit]"

This is the openly discussed goal of the Baha'i organization. There
can be little doubt that ushering in and occupying a central part in
such a vision takes enormous financial and political resources. Yet,
people on this board get up in arms when the power structures behind
this vision are criticized, or when people raise the fact that every
single aspect of the way power is wielded in such an organization
should be brought under the closest possible scrutiny, in order to
prevent potential corruption within such a massive, over-arching
system of power. What is described here IS the VERY ORWELLIAN REALITY
that conspiracy theorists talk about! World Police! World Bank! World
Laws! Do not be alarmed- continue enjoying your economic equality/
prosperity! Of course the 'government' of this system talks about
universal justice, human rights, economic opportunity- you gotta sell
the thing somehow! Yet, people on this board act all surprised when
'theories' are raised regarding exactly how such a vision would be
realized, or the potential problems behind it. This is on organization
that SHOULD have every possible angle of its reasoning questioned and
scrutinized to the highest degree when it envisages such a HUGE agenda
as this.

As for the Baha'is having no particular part in the political process
of this "New World Order" (as so many claim with mind blowing
incredulity), given the way the organization courts governments, lobby
groups, corporations and NGO groups, the idea that CERTAIN OF THEIR
MEMBERS AND INSTITUTIONAL ARMS have no significant power or influence
is utterly beyond belief. Does this implicate every single Baha'i in
some nefarious worldwide plan? Of course not. Does this make simply
being a Baha'i a crime? Of course it doesn't. What is in question is
the role of the greater Baha'i organization, and those of its members
and networks that posses particular instruments of influence and
power. The activities undertaken at the Tahirih Justice Center are
symptomatic of an extreme brand of corporate nepotism, and
demonstrative of a highly organized pandering to an Anglo-American
corporatist/political power bloc. You cannot claim to be genuinely
changing/challenging any aspects of a system of injustice and
oppression if you are even tangentially involved with the goals and
strategies of the very corporate institutions that have been largely
responsible for the maintenance of those elitist power structures.
These corporations have been, and must continue to be held CRIMINALLY
RESPONSIBLE for their actions, and not just be able to avoid the
consequences of prior activities by paying financially expedient
'token' malpractice fines (if you've seen "The Corporation", you'll
know what I mean). Neither must they be allowed to simply absolve
themselves of corporate malpractice within the sphere of public
morality simply by manipulating their corporate image through positive
association with philanthropic entities. The much talked about but,
but ultimately widely misunderstood Rockefeller Foundation is one of
the masters of corporate philanthropy, and yet is being increasingly
implicated in the very subtle, yet monumentally potent forces of
DEMOCRACY MANIPULATION. These are not your common garden variety
conspiracy theories, devoid of any real sophistication. These are the
very real, evidentially verifiable movements of corporate subversion
and political corruption.

See (just for a start- plenty of book references on the topic to post
if required):

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Rockefeller_Foundation

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=National_Endowment_for_Democracy

So what's the problem with certain NGO activism? Simply put, what good
is holding some self-congratulatory, back-slapping, hot-air filled
summit/conference/consulting group/think-tank/roundtable discussion on
climate change/environmental policy/gender injustice/corporate
responsibility when you continue to participate in the complex
corporate agendas of the very companies responsible. HOLD THEM
CRIMINALLY ACCOUNTABLE, FORCE THEM TO CHANGE, BE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND
THAT SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE AND SPIRITUAL INSTITUTIONS CLAIM TO BE-
DON'T ACCEPT THEIR MONEY! (By the way, the whole 'that's a naive way
to think', or 'they're changing the system from within its own
parameters' argument does not follow from this).

Back to Maurice Strong. Let me tell you, it is most certainly not just
“right-wing conspiracy nuts” who perceive a problem with both the UN
and a number of related global organizations. In fact, a lot of the
criticism in academic circles (which I won't assume you've read, Paul,
or you wouldn't be using such loose and unsophisticated instruments of
political and structural analysis) comes from the very areas of the
political spectrum that would seemingly support (at least in
principle) many of the things that M.Strong et al claim to be fighting
for. Deep, structural analyses of political and economic systems, and
the behavior of philanthropic and NGO groups within them reveal
complex models of power that are not products of delusional,
conspiratorial political radicals. Funny how little credence is given
to the genius of highly-sophisticated methods of corporate control and
propaganda, how easily the mask of philanthropy and service to higher
ideals is taken at face value, and how quickly people are to term as
'ranting conspiracy theorists' those who sense something deeply wrong
with the picture presented by these models, even at an intuitive
level. But then again, that works just fine for the status quo of the
power elite.


Why do people like myself and Wahid criticize these groups (ie certain
NGO's and the Baha'i organization) and their motives? Not because we
fundamentally disagree with the principles behind the social interests
they claim to serve, but because we believe they have been, and
continue to be, corrupted at a fundamental level that, conspiratorial
or otherwise, is homage to the enormous power of the highly-complex,
well-honed mechanisms of self-serving corporate influence. Regarding
the Baha'i organization, the platitudes of love, peace and justice
(terms often employed in highly superficial ways), and the bodies that
will supposedly enact these principles appear to be a similarly
complex, rigorously enforced system that is, in essence, no different
from that of the aforementioned self-serving corporate bodies. A
monster that, whatever it may claim about the purity of its intent and
structure, has willingly capitulated to endemic corporate greed,
cynicism and institutional and political nepotism of the highest
degree.


As for the Baha'is having no particular part in the political process
of this "New World Order", given the way the organization courts
governments, lobby groups, corporations and NGO groups, the idea that
CERTAIN OF THEIR MEMBERS AND INSTITUTIONAL ARMS have no significant
power or influence is utterly beyond belief. Does this implicate every
single Baha'i in some nefarious worldwide plan? Of course not. Does
this make simply being a Baha'i a crime? Of course it doesn't. What is
in question is the role of the greater Baha'i organization, and those
of its members and networks that posses particular instruments of
influence. The activities undertaken at the Tahirih Justice Center are
symptomatic of an extreme brand of corporate nepotism, and
demonstrative of a highly organized pandering to an anglo-american
corporatist/political power bloc. You cannot claim to be genuinely
changing/challenging any aspects of a system of injustice and
oppression if you are even tangentially involved with the goals and
strategies of the very corporate institutions that have been largely
responsible for the maintenance of those elitist power structures.
These corporations have been, and must continue to be held CRIMINALLY
RESPONSIBLE for their actions, and not just be able to avoid the
consequences of prior activities by paying financially expedient
'token' malpractice fines (if you've seen "The Corporation", you'll
know what I mean). Neither must they be allowed to simply absolve
themselves of corporate malpractice within the sphere of public
morality simply by manipulating their corporate image through positive
association with philanthropic entities. For example, the Rockfeller
Foundation is one of the masters of corporate philanthropy, and yet is
being increasingly implicated in the very subtle, yet monumentally
potent forces of DEMOCRACY MANIPULATION. These are not your common
garden variety conspiracy theories, devoid of any real sophistication.
These are the very real, evidentially verifiable movements of
corporate subversion and political corruption.

See (just for a start- plenty of book references on the topic to post
if required):

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Rockefeller_Foundation

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=National_Endowment_for_Democracy

So what's the problem with certain NGO activism? Simply put, what good
is holding some self-congratulatory, back slapping, hot-air filled
summit/conference/consulting group/think-tank/roundtable discussion on
climate change/environmental policy/gender injustice/corporate
responsibility when you continue to participate in the complex
corporate agendas of the very companies responsible. HOLD THEM
CRIMINALLY ACCOUNTABLE, FORCE THEM TO CHANGE, BE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND
THAT SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE AND SPIRITUAL INSTITUTIONS CLAIM TO BE-
DON'T ACCEPT THEIR MONEY! (By the way, the whole 'that's a naive way
to think', or 'they're changing the system from within its own
parameters' argument does not follow from this).

Back to Maurice Strong. Let me tell you, it is most certainly not just
right-wing conspiracy nuts who perceive a problem with both the UN and
a number of related global organizations. In fact, a lot of the
criticism in academic circles (which I won't assume you've read, Paul,
or you wouldn't be using such loose and unsophisticated instruments of
political and structural analysis) comes from the very areas of the
political spectrum that would seemingly support (at least in
principle) many of the things that M.Strong et al claim to be fighting
for. Deep, structural analyses of political and economic systems, and
the behavior of philanthropic and NGO groups within them reveal
complex models of power that are not products of delusional,
conspiratorial political radicals. Funny how little credence is given
to the genius of highly-sophisticated methods of corporate control and
propaganda, how easily the mask of philanthropy and service to higher
ideals is taken at face value, and how quickly people are to term as
'ranting conspiracy theorists' those who sense something deeply wrong
with the picture presented by these models, even at an intuitive
level. But then again, that works just fine for the status quo of the
power elite.


Why do people like myself and Wahid criticize and scrutinize these
groups (ie certain NGO's and the Baha'i organization) and their
motives? Not because we fundamentally disagree with the principles
behind the social interests they claim to serve (in fact, quite the
opposite at times), but because we believe they have been, and
continue to be, corrupted at a fundamental level that, conspiratorial
or otherwise, is homage to the enormous power of the highly-complex,
well-honed mechanisms of self-serving corporate influence. Regarding
the Baha'i organization, the platitudes of love, peace and justice
(terms often employed in highly superficial ways), and the bodies that
will supposedly enact these principles appear to represent a similarly
complex, rigorously enforced system that is, in essence, no different
from that of the aforementioned self-serving corporatism. Beneath the
surface there is a monster that, whatever it may claim about the
purity of its intent and structure, has willingly capitulated to
endemic corporate greed, cynicism and institutional and political
nepotism of the highest degree.
PaulHammond
2008-12-04 23:26:58 UTC
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Post by m***@gmail.com
Post by PaulHammond
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML/Maurice-Strong/article1.html
In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World
Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats,
CEOs and politicians gather "to address global issues."
Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. "What
if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal
risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?...
In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope
for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't
it our responsibility to bring this about?"
That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's words coming out. But
this is no fictitious Bond movie villain speaking - it is the man who
chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is Kofi Annan's senior adviser.
"This group of world leaders forms a secret society to bring about an
economic collapse," continued Strong, warming to his fantasy. "It's
February. They're all at Davos. These aren't terrorists.
"They're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the world's
commodities and stock markets. They've engineered, using their access
to stock markets and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they
prevent the world's stock markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They hire mercenaries who hold the leaders at Davos as hostage. The
markets can't close..."
Strong catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like
this."
But is fantasizing about holding the world hostage, like Dr. Evil in
an Austin Powers movie, any less strange than Strong's other solutions
to environmental problems?
In 1972, as Strong organized the first environmental conference for
the UN, he granted an interview to the BBC. "I am convinced the
prophets of doom have to be taken seriously," he said.
http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/GeneralForum/1115.shtml
An excerpt from the article: � In 1990, Strong told a reporter a
fantasy scenario for the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos,
Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats, CEOs and politicians gather "to
address global issues." Strong, naturally, is on the board of the
World Economic Forum. "What if a small group of these world leaders
were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the
actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the
group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to
bring this about?" That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's
words coming out. But this is no fictitious Bond movie villain
speaking - it is the man who chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is
Kofi Annan's senior adviser. "This group of world leaders forms a
secret society to bring about an economic collapse," continued Strong,
warming to his fantasy. "It's February. They're all at Davos. These
aren't terrorists. "They're world leaders. They have positioned
themselves in the world's commodities and stock markets. They've
engineered, using their access to stock markets and computers and gold
supplies, a panic. Then, they prevent the world's stock markets from
closing. They jam the gears. They hire mercenaries who hold the
leaders at Davos as hostage. The markets can't close..." Strong
catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like this."
Do you REALLY need to quote two copies of the same source, making the
very same overblown comparison with Blofeld the Bond villain?
Is it all that surprising to you that a high-up UN official thinks
that the world economy might be just a tad biased against the poor,
and that bringing down the capitalist system might be the only way to
restart the world economy on a fairer basis?
(that's what it seems to me his fantasy is about)
Or that surprising that Right-wing conspiracy theorists who call
themselves "UN-watch" or whatever who think that the UN is a dangerous
leftist organisation might find such words worrying?
btw - isn't it the case that YOU subscribe to the view that the world
economy is fixed in favour of the rich nations? �I'm sure I've heard
you saying such things, in much more intemperate terms than these 1990
quotes from Mr Strong, in your various incarnations of rantings around
the internet.
It amazes me, Paul. Whose side are you on here?
Are there only two sides here, MaybeYouAreOne?
Post by m***@gmail.com
What do actually stand
for, except trying to shoot down other people's criticism of the
Baha'i organization,
That's not what I stand for around here. It's just that Nima's lies
really get on my wick.

I don't like Nima - that's my agenda.

What's yours?


and those potentially associated with some of its
Post by m***@gmail.com
genuinely suspicious activities? Regardless, the issues which are
being raised concerning the activities of Maurice Strong are closely
related to those issues being raised concerning the Baha'i
organization.
THe Baha'is are generally pro-UN because they are pro-World Government
- but I don't see Nima "raising issues" around here. He just rants a
lot, usually baselessly.

You seem to have the ability to do somewhat better.

And whilst they are expressed a certain way in this
Post by m***@gmail.com
context, in their proper context, these are not flimsy, ad-hoc
theories. Rather, they are aspects of a genuine dialogue regarding the
way certain types of complex relationship networks affect political
and social agendas. This fits under the broad category of Social
Network Theory, an important branch of which is the study of what
political science terms Revolving Door Politics, namely the study of
the continual cycling of particular individuals between the public and
private sectors, and the specific agendas/interests which are
maintained as result.
See Social Network Theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_network
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_door_(politics)
In this context, a very specific institutional agenda can potentially
be identified. Namely, that whilst creating the image that they are
part of the solution for certain social, economic and political
'status quos', including unfair distribution of wealth, gender
injustice, and environmentally irresponsible corporate activity, their
organizational mechanisms and methods of wielding influence actually
suggest a far different perspective.
But, Nima's unearthing of this old quote from Maurice Strong of 1990
suggests that he REALLY BELIEVES that Strong and the Baha'is have done
something deliberate to engineer the current recession!

The G8 is the real rich men's club. The UN is in something of a bind,
in that it's meant to be a forum which allows the smaller nations a
say, but in actual fact the US bankrolls it and the Permanent members
of the security council veto everything.

But all of what you say has little to do with Nima's delusions - he
just generally hates things because they are Baha'i, and attaches
Baha'is to things that he hates because he can't believe they are
unrelated.

Rather than actually CHANGING
Post by m***@gmail.com
anything, they are merely attempting to create the ILLUSION OF CHANGE,
whilst preserving the interests of their own organizations. Whilst
Maurice Strong could be seen as championing a liberal, socially
responsible (even socialist), environmentally sensitive political and
institutional agenda (many of the principles of which I would totally
support in theory), his actions, both within bureaucratic and
corporate/financial institutions, suggest that he is involved in a
wider process designed to ensure a smooth transition of power within a
certain corporate and financial elite. Granted, he may create certain
small changes in corporate environmental policy along the way, but
ultimately there as long as there is nothing to lose by making these
concessions (or creating the illusion of them) the staus quo of the
power elite essentially remains the same. Such strategies need not
suggest anything massively conspiratorial beyond the simple raison
d'tre of the corporate model, which most people no not fully
understand anyway. If a lot of people don't fully understand (or want
to understand) the way institutional power operates, there's not
really that much need for conspiracy.
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-05 01:34:03 UTC
Permalink
That's not what I stand for around here.  It's just that Nima's lies
really get on my wick.
Because you are a Haifan Bahai.
I don't like Nima - that's my agenda.
Because you are a Haifan Bahai. And it is not just "Nima" whom you
hate. It is anyone who has ever challenged the prevailing internal
group-think orthodoxy of the sinlessness of your cult and its
institutions whom you do not like. Why? Because you are a Haifan
Bahaim, a member of the IT committee, a paid propagandist and a bahaim
brown-shirt. QED.


W
PaulHammond
2008-12-05 01:43:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
That's not what I stand for around here. �It's just that Nima's lies
really get on my wick.
Because you are a Haifan Bahai.
False.
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
I don't like Nima - that's my agenda.
Because you are a Haifan Bahai.
False
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
And it is not just "Nima" whom you
hate. It is anyone who has ever challenged the prevailing internal
group-think orthodoxy of the sinlessness of your cult and its
institutions whom you do not like.
Nope. It's just you.
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Why? Because you are a Haifan
Bahaim,
False
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
a member of the IT committee,
This committee doesn't exist.
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
a paid propagandist and a bahaim
brown-shirt.
I'm not a Hebrew word for animal, neither do I look good in a brown
shirt.
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
QED.
WHAT proof?

Isn't it about time you would shit or get off the pot? You've been
pretending that allegations stand in for proof for over 8 years now.
And you still can't decide whether or not you think that Paul Hammond
is even my real name!
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-05 06:28:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
That's not what I stand for around here.  It's just that Nima's lies
really get on my wick.
Because you are a Haifan Bahai.
I don't like Nima - that's my agenda.
Because you are a Haifan Bahai. And it is not just "Nima" whom you
hate. It is anyone who has ever challenged the prevailing internal
group-think orthodoxy of the sinlessness of your cult and its
institutions whom you do not like. Why? Because you are a Haifan
Bahaim, a member of the IT committee, a paid propagandist and a bahaim
brown-shirt. QED.
W
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-03 04:34:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML/Maurice-Strong/article1.html
In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World
Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats,
CEOs and politicians gather "to address global issues."
Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. "What
if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal
risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?...
In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope
for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't
it our responsibility to bring this about?"
That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's words coming out. But
this is no fictitious Bond movie villain speaking - it is the man who
chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is Kofi Annan's senior adviser.
"This group of world leaders forms a secret society to bring about an
economic collapse," continued Strong, warming to his fantasy. "It's
February. They're all at Davos. These aren't terrorists.
"They're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the world's
commodities and stock markets. They've engineered, using their access
to stock markets and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they
prevent the world's stock markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They hire mercenaries who hold the leaders at Davos as hostage. The
markets can't close..."
Strong catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like
this."
But is fantasizing about holding the world hostage, like Dr. Evil in
an Austin Powers movie, any less strange than Strong's other solutions
to environmental problems?
In 1972, as Strong organized the first environmental conference for
the UN, he granted an interview to the BBC. "I am convinced the
prophets of doom have to be taken seriously," he said.
http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/GeneralForum/1115.shtml
An excerpt from the article:   In 1990, Strong told a reporter a
fantasy scenario for the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos,
Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats, CEOs and politicians gather "to
address global issues." Strong, naturally, is on the board of the
World Economic Forum. "What if a small group of these world leaders
were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the
actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the
group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to
bring this about?" That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's
words coming out. But this is no fictitious Bond movie villain
speaking - it is the man who chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is
Kofi Annan's senior adviser. "This group of world leaders forms a
secret society to bring about an economic collapse," continued Strong,
warming to his fantasy. "It's February. They're all at Davos. These
aren't terrorists. "They're world leaders. They have positioned
themselves in the world's commodities and stock markets. They've
engineered, using their access to stock markets and computers and gold
supplies, a panic. Then, they prevent the world's stock markets from
closing. They jam the gears. They hire mercenaries who hold the
leaders at Davos as hostage. The markets can't close..." Strong
catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like this."
http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/mstrong2.htm
The Trilateral Commission recently published book, Beyond
Interdependence: The Meshing Of the WorId's Economy and the Earth's
Ecology. Rockefeller wrote the foreword and Maurice Strong wrote the
"This book couldn't appear at a better time, with the preparation for
the Earth Summit moving into gear... it will help guide decisions that
will literally determine the fate of the earth... Rio will have the
political capacity to produce the basic changes needed in our
international economic agendas and in our institutions of
governance."
Strong has established what could be the global headquarters for the
New Age movement in the San Luis Valley of Colorado at the foot of the
Sangre de Cristo Mountains near Crestone, Colorado. He and his
occultic wife, Hanne, call the Baca an international spiritual
community which they hope will serve as a model for the way the world
should be if humankind is to survive - a sort of United Nations of
religious beliefs. The Baca (as the center is called) is replete with
monasteries; the Haidakhrndi Universal Ashram, a Vedic temple where
devotees worship the Vedic mother goddess; amulet-carrying Native
American shamans; a $175,000 solar-powered Hindu temple; a mustard-
yellow tower called a ziggurat; a subterranean Zen Buddhist center
complete with a computer and organic gardens; a house full of
thousands of crystals; and even Shirley MacLaine and her New Age
followers.
In 1978, a mystic informed Hanne and Maurice Strong that "the Baca
would become the center for a new planetary order which would evolve
from the economic collapse and environmental catastrophes that would
sweep the globe in the years to come." The Strongs say they see the
Baca, which they call 'The Valley Of the Refuge Of World Truths '",as
the paradigm for the entire planet and say that the fate of the earth
is at stake. Shirley MacLaine agrees - her astrologer told her to move
to the Baca, and she did. She is building a New Age study center at
the Baca where people can take short week-long courses on the occult!
Apparently, the Kissingers, the Rockefellers, the McNamaras, the
Rothschild's, and other Establishment New World Order elitists all
agree as well, for they do their pilgrimage to the Baca - where
politics and the occult - the New World Order and the New Age - all
merge. Watch Maurice Strong and watch the Baca!
Much of the above information about the Strong and the Baca comes from
an interview entitled "The Wizard Of the Baca Grande," which Maurice
Strong conducted with WEST magazine of Alberta, Canada May 1990.
Strong concluded the interview with a thought provoking, apocalyptic
"Each year the World Economic Forum convenes in Davos, Switzerland.
Over a thousand CEOs, prime ministers, finance ministers, and leading
academics gather in February to attend meetings and set the economic
agendas for the year ahead.
What if a small group of these word leaders were to conclude that the
principle risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich
countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would
have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment.
Will they do it? Will the rich countries agree to reduce their impact
on the environment? Will they agree to save the earth?
The group's conclusion is 'no.' The rich countries won't do it. They
isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized
civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that
about?
This group of world leaders form a secret society to bring about a
world collapse. It's February. They're all at Davos. These aren't
terrorists - they're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in
the world's commodity and stock markets. They've engineered, using
their access to stock exchanges, and computers, and gold supplies, a
panic. Then they prevent the markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They have mercenaries who hold the rest of the world leaders at Davros
as hostage. The markets can't close. The rich countries...?" and
Strong makes a slight motion with his fingers as if he were flicking a
cigarette butt out of the window.
I sat there spellbound. This is not any story-teller talking. This is
Maurice Strong. He knows these world leaders. He is, in fact, co-
chairman of the Council of the World Economic Forum. He sits at the
fulcrum of power. He is in a position to do it.
http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/mstrong2.htm
from Donald McAlvany's book TOWARD A NEW WORLD ORDER
WHO IS MAURICE STRONG?
Maurice Strong is a man to watch!
The billionaire Canadian businessman is an employee of the United
Nations; an employee of the Rockefeller and Rothschild's trusts and
projects; a director of the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies;
the organiser of the first World Conference on the Environment in
1992; the founder and first head ofthe U.N. Environment Program; the
secretary general (and chief organizer) of the UNCED Earth Summit in
Rio in June 1992, and a leading socialist, environmentalist, New World
Order manipulator, occultist, and New Ager. In the mid-1980s, Strong
joined the World Commission on the Environment where he helped produce
the 1987 Brundtland Report widely believed to be the "incendiary"
which ignited the present "Green movement."
Strong, who spearheaded the Earth Summit, has complained that "the
United States is clearly the greatest risk to the world's ecological
"It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the
affluent middle-class... involving high meat intake, consumption of
large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, ownership of motor
vehicles, small electric appliances, home and work place air-
conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable... A shift is
necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmental damaging
consumption patterns."
Strong has forcefully advocated a new economic order based on the re-
distribution of the developed world's industries and wealth to the
Third World. Strong is indeed an arch socialist.
The Trilateral Commission recently published book, Beyond
Interdependence: The Meshing Of the WorId's Economy and the Earth's
Ecology. Rockefeller wrote the foreword and Maurice Strong wrote the
"This book couldn't appear at a better time, with the preparation for
the Earth Summit moving into gear... it will help guide decisions that
will literally determine the fate of the earth... Rio will have the
political capacity to produce the basic changes needed in our
international economic agendas and in our institutions of
governance."
Strong has established what could be the global headquarters for the
New Age movement in the San Luis Valley of Colorado at the foot of the
Sangre de Cristo Mountains near Crestone, Colorado. He and his
occultic wife, Hanne, call the Baca an international spiritual
community which they hope will serve as a model for the way the world
should be if humankind is to survive - a sort of United Nations of
religious beliefs. The Baca (as the center is called) is replete with
monasteries; the Haidakhrndi Universal Ashram, a Vedic temple where
devotees worship the Vedic mother goddess; amulet-carrying Native
American shamans; a $175,000 solar-powered Hindu temple; a mustard-
yellow tower called a ziggurat; a subterranean Zen Buddhist center
complete with a computer and organic gardens; a house full of
thousands of crystals; and even Shirley MacLaine and her New Age
followers.
In 1978, a mystic informed Hanne and Maurice Strong that "the Baca
would become the center for a new planetary order which would evolve
from the economic collapse and environmental catastrophes that would
sweep the globe in the years to come." The Strongs say they see the
Baca, which they call 'The Valley Of the Refuge Of World Truths '",as
the paradigm for the entire planet and say that the fate of the earth
is at stake. Shirley MacLaine agrees - her astrologer told her to move
to the Baca, and she did. She is building a New Age study center at
the Baca where people can take short week-long courses on the occult!
Apparently, the Kissingers, the Rockefellers, the McNamaras, the
Rothschild's, and other Establishment New World Order elitists all
agree as well, for they do their pilgrimage to the Baca - where
politics and the occult - the New World Order and the New Age - all
merge. Watch Maurice Strong and watch the Baca!
Much of the above information about the Strong and the Baca comes from
an interview entitled "The Wizard Of the Baca Grande," which Maurice
Strong conducted with WEST magazine of Alberta, Canada May 1990.
Strong concluded the interview with a thought provoking, apocalyptic
"Each year the World Economic Forum convenes in Davos, Switzerland.
Over a thousand CEOs, prime ministers, finance ministers, and leading
academics gather in February to attend meetings and set the economic
agendas for the year ahead.
What if a small group of these word leaders were to conclude that the
principle risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich
countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would
have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment.
Will they do it? Will the rich countries agree to reduce their impact
on the environment? Will they agree to save the earth?
The group's conclusion is 'no.' The rich countries won't do it. They
isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized
civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that
about?
This group of world leaders form a secret society to bring about a
world collapse. It's February. They're all at Davos. These aren't
terrorists - they're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in
the world's commodity and stock markets. They've engineered, using
their access to stock exchanges, and computers, and gold supplies, a
panic. Then they prevent the markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They have mercenaries who hold the rest of the world leaders at Davros
as hostage. The markets can't close. The rich countries...?" and
Strong makes a slight motion with his fingers as if he were flicking a
cigarette butt out of the window.
I sat there spellbound. This is not any story-teller talking. This is
Maurice Strong. He knows these world leaders. He is, in fact, co-
chairman of the Council of the World Economic Forum. He sits at the
fulcrum of power. He is in a position to do it.
The Earth Summit
"The Earth Summit must establish a whole new basis for relations
between rich and poor, North and South including a concerted attack on
poverty as a central priority for the 21st century. This is now as
imperative in terms of our environmental security as it is on moral
and humanitarian grounds. We owe at least this much to future
generations, from whom we have borrowed a fragile planet called
Earth."
-Maurice Strong
Billed as the "mother of all summits," with up to 40,000 government
officials and environmentalists from 167 countries in attendance, the
June 4-14 Earth Summit was the biggest gathering of world leaders ever
held. Described by Time magazine as a "New Age carnival," the summit
(and related activities) was attended by the Dalai Lama of Tibet,
thousands of New Agers and occultists (including John Denver and
Shirley MacLaine), numerous leftist groups, and virtually every
environmental group in the world - 7,892 non-governmental
organizations from 167 countries.
As the Wall Street Journal said: "The summit on Mother Nature was
asking: 'What is needed to save the world and how much is the world
willing to do to save itself?'" The Audubon Society called the Earth
Summit "the most important meeting in the history of mankind", and
"Nothing less than the fate of the planet is at stake... No place on
the planet can remain an island ofaffluence in a sea of misery...
We're either going to save Ihe world or no one will be saved. I think
we're at a real point of civilizalion change. We must, from here on
in, all go down the same path... There may not be another chance."
The Rocky Mountain News, in a May 31, 1992 article entitled "Agenda
"Who is killing planet earth? Styrofoam-crushing, beef-eating,
gasoline-guzzling, air conditioner-blasting Americans and their
partners in the developed nations? Rain forest-razing, sewer-fouling,
baby-booming peasants of the Third World? Air-poisoning, river-
killing, radioactive waste-leaking, dirty coal-burning denizens of
formerly communist Eastern European countries? All of us are killing
planet earth! "
Many environmentalist leaders touted the summit as an ecological
Bretton Woods, just as world leaders crafted the post-World War II
international financial system in New Hampshire, the leaders of the
post-Cold War era would lay the foundations for the "era of
sustainable development." Lester Brown, president of Worldwatch
Institute, said: "I think when we look back we will see the Rio
conference as the event that marked the end of an era and the start of
a new one." "
The Goals Of the Rio Earth Summit
The June Earth Summit in Rio was not just about the pseudo-
environmental crisis; it was not just about clean air, clean water,
acid rain, global warming, or endangered species: it was about massive
wealth redistribution from the industrial countries (i.e., the North)
to the Third World countries (i.e., the South) - from the rich to the
poor countries. It was about massive global socialisn people control,
and world government. It was also an unprecedented global media
platform, for militant anti- American eco-propaganda with emotional
diatribes about America's alleged crimes against the global
environment.
The summit was concerned with writing a World Constitution which will
deal with ways and means of eliminating pollution; cutting down the
alleged "global warming"; cutting down on the emission of carbon
dioxide; stalling the rate of ozone depletion; adopting plans to
prevent overpopulation, acid rain, nuclear fallout, and to promote
clean water and clean air; and depriving landowners ofthe right to use
their land in any manner other than that permitted by UNCED or its
A Massive Global Wealth Redistribution Scheme - Maurice Strong and
other summit leaders are demanding a $625 billion a year (for a
decade) wealth transfer from the so-called wealthy countries
(epitomized by the U.S.) to the so-called poor countries-with $125
billion per year coming from America. The U.S. is being pushed to
contribute $70 billion per year to this Third World Green fund (this
is in addition to the $55 billion we already pour out annually to
developing nations).
Imposition Of a System Of Global Environmental Regulation - including
onerous taxes on energy fuels, and on the populations of the United
States and other industrialized nations. The developed countries
should limit production and consumption, and cut back dramatically on
the use of the automobile, electrical appliances, air conditioning,
etc. The same formula for "sacrifice by the rich nations to save the
planet" was summarized well some 12 years earlier by Kansas Senator
James P. Pearson, who said: "Profits must be cut, comforts reduced,
taxes raised, sacrifices endured."
Elimination Of Property, Hunger, and Disease In The Third World - Only
if these are eliminated, the environmentalists say, will the poor
Third Worlders stop polluting planet earth.
Establishment Of a Global Environmental Protection Agency - to
duplicate the efforts of the American EPA on a worldwide basis and
prosecute environmental crimes on a global basis.
Population Control - is high on the Green agenda, although the issue
was low-profiled at the Earth Summit. Strict population control is
high on the agenda of UNCED and the Green movement. As the Greens see
it, there are too many people on Mother Earth (and the 5.4 billion
will double in the next 10 to 15 years); the more people there are,
the more pollution there is; the more highly- developed the people
are, the more resources they consume. So, one of UNCED and the Greens'
chief goals is to restrict population growth by whatever means
possible. Biology professor Garrett Harden (an influential Green
"lt is a mistake to think that we can control the greed of mankind in
the long run by an appeal to conscience. . . . The only way we can
cherish and nurture other and more precious freedoms is by
relinguishing the freedom to breed, and that very soon."
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-12-05 01:34:30 UTC
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http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML/Maurice-Strong/article1.html
In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World
Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats,
CEOs and politicians gather "to address global issues."
Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. "What
if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal
risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?...
In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope
for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't
it our responsibility to bring this about?"
That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's words coming out. But
this is no fictitious Bond movie villain speaking - it is the man who
chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is Kofi Annan's senior adviser.
"This group of world leaders forms a secret society to bring about an
economic collapse," continued Strong, warming to his fantasy. "It's
February. They're all at Davos. These aren't terrorists.
"They're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the world's
commodities and stock markets. They've engineered, using their access
to stock markets and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they
prevent the world's stock markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They hire mercenaries who hold the leaders at Davos as hostage. The
markets can't close..."
Strong catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like
this."
But is fantasizing about holding the world hostage, like Dr. Evil in
an Austin Powers movie, any less strange than Strong's other solutions
to environmental problems?
In 1972, as Strong organized the first environmental conference for
the UN, he granted an interview to the BBC. "I am convinced the
prophets of doom have to be taken seriously," he said.
http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/GeneralForum/1115.shtml
An excerpt from the article:   In 1990, Strong told a reporter a
fantasy scenario for the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos,
Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats, CEOs and politicians gather "to
address global issues." Strong, naturally, is on the board of the
World Economic Forum. "What if a small group of these world leaders
were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the
actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the
group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to
bring this about?" That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's
words coming out. But this is no fictitious Bond movie villain
speaking - it is the man who chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is
Kofi Annan's senior adviser. "This group of world leaders forms a
secret society to bring about an economic collapse," continued Strong,
warming to his fantasy. "It's February. They're all at Davos. These
aren't terrorists. "They're world leaders. They have positioned
themselves in the world's commodities and stock markets. They've
engineered, using their access to stock markets and computers and gold
supplies, a panic. Then, they prevent the world's stock markets from
closing. They jam the gears. They hire mercenaries who hold the
leaders at Davos as hostage. The markets can't close..." Strong
catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like this."
http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/mstrong2.htm
The Trilateral Commission recently published book, Beyond
Interdependence: The Meshing Of the WorId's Economy and the Earth's
Ecology. Rockefeller wrote the foreword and Maurice Strong wrote the
"This book couldn't appear at a better time, with the preparation for
the Earth Summit moving into gear... it will help guide decisions that
will literally determine the fate of the earth... Rio will have the
political capacity to produce the basic changes needed in our
international economic agendas and in our institutions of
governance."
Strong has established what could be the global headquarters for the
New Age movement in the San Luis Valley of Colorado at the foot of the
Sangre de Cristo Mountains near Crestone, Colorado. He and his
occultic wife, Hanne, call the Baca an international spiritual
community which they hope will serve as a model for the way the world
should be if humankind is to survive - a sort of United Nations of
religious beliefs. The Baca (as the center is called) is replete with
monasteries; the Haidakhrndi Universal Ashram, a Vedic temple where
devotees worship the Vedic mother goddess; amulet-carrying Native
American shamans; a $175,000 solar-powered Hindu temple; a mustard-
yellow tower called a ziggurat; a subterranean Zen Buddhist center
complete with a computer and organic gardens; a house full of
thousands of crystals; and even Shirley MacLaine and her New Age
followers.
In 1978, a mystic informed Hanne and Maurice Strong that "the Baca
would become the center for a new planetary order which would evolve
from the economic collapse and environmental catastrophes that would
sweep the globe in the years to come." The Strongs say they see the
Baca, which they call 'The Valley Of the Refuge Of World Truths '",as
the paradigm for the entire planet and say that the fate of the earth
is at stake. Shirley MacLaine agrees - her astrologer told her to move
to the Baca, and she did. She is building a New Age study center at
the Baca where people can take short week-long courses on the occult!
Apparently, the Kissingers, the Rockefellers, the McNamaras, the
Rothschild's, and other Establishment New World Order elitists all
agree as well, for they do their pilgrimage to the Baca - where
politics and the occult - the New World Order and the New Age - all
merge. Watch Maurice Strong and watch the Baca!
Much of the above information about the Strong and the Baca comes from
an interview entitled "The Wizard Of the Baca Grande," which Maurice
Strong conducted with WEST magazine of Alberta, Canada May 1990.
Strong concluded the interview with a thought provoking, apocalyptic
"Each year the World Economic Forum convenes in Davos, Switzerland.
Over a thousand CEOs, prime ministers, finance ministers, and leading
academics gather in February to attend meetings and set the economic
agendas for the year ahead.
What if a small group of these word leaders were to conclude that the
principle risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich
countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would
have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment.
Will they do it? Will the rich countries agree to reduce their impact
on the environment? Will they agree to save the earth?
The group's conclusion is 'no.' The rich countries won't do it. They
isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized
civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that
about?
This group of world leaders form a secret society to bring about a
world collapse. It's February. They're all at Davos. These aren't
terrorists - they're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in
the world's commodity and stock markets. They've engineered, using
their access to stock exchanges, and computers, and gold supplies, a
panic. Then they prevent the markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They have mercenaries who hold the rest of the world leaders at Davros
as hostage. The markets can't close. The rich countries...?" and
Strong makes a slight motion with his fingers as if he were flicking a
cigarette butt out of the window.
I sat there spellbound. This is not any story-teller talking. This is
Maurice Strong. He knows these world leaders. He is, in fact, co-
chairman of the Council of the World Economic Forum. He sits at the
fulcrum of power. He is in a position to do it.
http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/mstrong2.htm
from Donald McAlvany's book TOWARD A NEW WORLD ORDER
WHO IS MAURICE STRONG?
Maurice Strong is a man to watch!
The billionaire Canadian businessman is an employee of the United
Nations; an employee of the Rockefeller and Rothschild's trusts and
projects; a director of the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies;
the organiser of the first World Conference on the Environment in
1992; the founder and first head ofthe U.N. Environment Program; the
secretary general (and chief organizer) of the UNCED Earth Summit in
Rio in June 1992, and a leading socialist, environmentalist, New World
Order manipulator, occultist, and New Ager. In the mid-1980s, Strong
joined the World Commission on the Environment where he helped produce
the 1987 Brundtland Report widely believed to be the "incendiary"
which ignited the present "Green movement."
Strong, who spearheaded the Earth Summit, has complained that "the
United States is clearly the greatest risk to the world's ecological
"It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the
affluent middle-class... involving high meat intake, consumption of
large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, ownership of motor
vehicles, small electric appliances, home and work place air-
conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable... A shift is
necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmental damaging
consumption patterns."
Strong has forcefully advocated a new economic order based on the re-
distribution of the developed world's industries and wealth to the
Third World. Strong is indeed an arch socialist.
The Trilateral Commission recently published book, Beyond
Interdependence: The Meshing Of the WorId's Economy and the Earth's
Ecology. Rockefeller wrote the foreword and Maurice Strong wrote the
"This book couldn't appear at a better time, with the preparation for
the Earth Summit moving into gear... it will help guide decisions that
will literally determine the fate of the earth... Rio will have the
political capacity to produce the basic changes needed in our
international economic agendas and in our institutions of
governance."
Strong has established what could be the global headquarters for the
New Age movement in the San Luis Valley of Colorado at the foot of the
Sangre de Cristo Mountains near Crestone, Colorado. He and his
occultic wife, Hanne, call the Baca an international spiritual
community which they hope will serve as a model for the way the world
should be if humankind is to survive - a sort of United Nations of
religious beliefs. The Baca (as the center is called) is replete with
monasteries; the Haidakhrndi Universal Ashram, a Vedic temple where
devotees worship the Vedic mother goddess; amulet-carrying Native
American shamans; a $175,000 solar-powered Hindu temple; a mustard-
yellow tower called a ziggurat; a subterranean Zen Buddhist center
complete with a computer and organic gardens; a house full of
thousands of crystals; and even Shirley MacLaine and her New Age
followers.
In 1978, a mystic informed Hanne and Maurice Strong that "the Baca
would become the center for a new planetary order which would evolve
from the economic collapse and environmental catastrophes that would
sweep the globe in the years to come." The Strongs say they see the
Baca, which they call 'The Valley Of the Refuge Of World Truths '",as
the paradigm for the entire planet and say that the fate of the earth
is at stake. Shirley MacLaine agrees - her astrologer told her to move
to the Baca, and she did. She is building a New Age study center at
the Baca where people can take short week-long courses on the occult!
Apparently, the Kissingers, the Rockefellers, the McNamaras, the
Rothschild's, and other Establishment New World Order elitists all
agree as well, for they do their pilgrimage to the Baca - where
politics and the occult - the New World Order and the New Age - all
merge. Watch Maurice Strong and watch the Baca!
Much of the above information about the Strong and the Baca comes from
an interview entitled "The Wizard Of the Baca Grande," which Maurice
Strong conducted with WEST magazine of Alberta, Canada May 1990.
Strong concluded the interview with a thought provoking, apocalyptic
"Each year the World Economic Forum convenes in Davos, Switzerland.
Over a thousand CEOs, prime ministers, finance ministers, and leading
academics gather in February to attend meetings and set the economic
agendas for the year ahead.
What if a small group of these word leaders were to conclude that the
principle risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich
countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would
have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment.
Will they do it? Will the rich countries agree to reduce their impact
on the environment? Will they agree to save the earth?
The group's conclusion is 'no.' The rich countries won't do it. They
isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized
civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that
about?
This group of world leaders form a secret society to bring about a
world collapse. It's February. They're all at Davos. These aren't
terrorists - they're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in
the world's commodity and stock markets. They've engineered, using
their access to stock exchanges, and computers, and gold supplies, a
panic. Then they prevent the markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They have mercenaries who hold the rest of the world leaders at Davros
as hostage. The markets can't close. The rich countries...?" and
Strong makes a slight motion with his fingers as if he were flicking a
cigarette butt out of the window.
I sat there spellbound. This is not any story-teller talking. This is
Maurice Strong. He knows these world leaders. He is, in fact, co-
chairman of the Council of the World Economic Forum. He sits at the
fulcrum of power. He is in a position to do it.
The Earth Summit
"The Earth Summit must establish a whole new basis for relations
between rich and poor, North and South including a concerted attack on
poverty as a central priority for the 21st century. This is now as
imperative in terms of our environmental security as it is on moral
and humanitarian grounds. We owe at least this much to future
generations, from whom we have borrowed a fragile planet called
Earth."
-Maurice Strong
Billed as the "mother of all summits," with up to 40,000 government
officials and environmentalists from 167 countries in attendance, the
June 4-14 Earth Summit was the biggest gathering of world leaders ever
held. Described by Time magazine as a "New Age carnival," the summit
(and related activities) was attended by the Dalai Lama of Tibet,
thousands of New Agers and occultists (including John Denver and
Shirley MacLaine), numerous leftist groups, and virtually every
environmental group in the world - 7,892 non-governmental
organizations from 167 countries.
As the Wall Street Journal said: "The summit on Mother Nature was
asking: 'What is needed to save the world and how much is the world
willing to do to save itself?'" The Audubon Society called the Earth
Summit "the most important meeting in the history of mankind", and
"Nothing less than the fate of the planet is at stake... No place on
the planet can remain an island ofaffluence in a sea of misery...
We're either going to save Ihe world or no one will be saved. I think
we're at a real point of civilizalion change. We must, from here on
in, all go down the same path... There may not be another chance."
The Rocky Mountain News, in a May 31, 1992 article entitled "Agenda
"Who is killing planet earth? Styrofoam-crushing, beef-eating,
gasoline-guzzling, air conditioner-blasting Americans and their
partners in the developed nations? Rain forest-razing, sewer-fouling,
baby-booming peasants of the Third World? Air-poisoning, river-
killing, radioactive waste-leaking, dirty coal-burning denizens of
formerly communist Eastern European countries? All of us are killing
planet earth! "
Many environmentalist leaders touted the summit as an ecological
Bretton Woods, just as world leaders crafted the post-World War II
international financial system in New Hampshire, the leaders of the
post-Cold War era would lay the foundations for the "era of
sustainable development." Lester Brown, president of Worldwatch
Institute, said: "I think when we look back we will see the Rio
conference as the event that marked the end of an era and the start of
a new one." "
The Goals Of the Rio Earth Summit
The June Earth Summit in Rio was not just about the pseudo-
environmental crisis; it was not just about clean air, clean water,
acid rain, global warming, or endangered species: it was about massive
wealth redistribution from the industrial countries (i.e., the North)
to the Third World countries (i.e., the South) - from the rich to the
poor countries. It was about massive global socialisn people control,
and world government. It was also an unprecedented global media
platform, for militant anti- American eco-propaganda with emotional
diatribes about America's alleged crimes against the global
environment.
The summit was concerned with writing a World Constitution which will
deal with ways and means of eliminating pollution; cutting down the
alleged "global warming"; cutting down on the emission of carbon
dioxide; stalling the rate of ozone depletion; adopting plans to
prevent overpopulation, acid rain, nuclear fallout, and to promote
clean water and clean air; and depriving landowners ofthe right to use
their land in any manner other than that permitted by UNCED or its
A Massive Global Wealth Redistribution Scheme - Maurice Strong and
other summit leaders are demanding a $625 billion a year (for a
decade) wealth transfer from the so-called wealthy countries
(epitomized by the U.S.) to the so-called poor countries-with $125
billion per year coming from America. The U.S. is being pushed to
contribute $70 billion per year to this Third World Green fund (this
is in addition to the $55 billion we already pour out annually to
developing nations).
Imposition Of a System Of Global Environmental Regulation - including
onerous taxes on energy fuels, and on the populations of the United
States and other industrialized nations. The developed countries
should limit production and consumption, and cut back dramatically on
the use of the automobile, electrical appliances, air conditioning,
etc. The same formula for "sacrifice by the rich nations to save the
planet" was summarized well some 12 years earlier by Kansas Senator
James P. Pearson, who said: "Profits must be cut, comforts reduced,
taxes raised, sacrifices endured."
Elimination Of Property, Hunger, and Disease In The Third World - Only
if these are eliminated, the environmentalists say, will the poor
Third Worlders stop polluting planet earth.
Establishment Of a Global Environmental Protection Agency - to
duplicate the efforts of the American EPA on a worldwide basis and
prosecute environmental crimes on a global basis.
Population Control - is high on the Green agenda, although the issue
was low-profiled at the Earth Summit. Strict population control is
high on the agenda of UNCED and the Green movement. As the Greens see
it, there are too many people on Mother Earth (and the 5.4 billion
will double in the next 10 to 15 years); the more people there are,
the more pollution there is; the more highly- developed the people
are, the more resources they consume. So, one of UNCED and the Greens'
chief goals is to restrict population growth by whatever means
possible. Biology professor Garrett Harden (an influential Green
"lt is a mistake to think that we can control the greed of mankind in
the long run by an appeal to conscience. . . . The only way we can
cherish and nurture other and more precious freedoms is by
relinguishing the freedom to breed, and that very soon."
383
2008-12-06 05:21:48 UTC
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Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML/Maurice-Strong/article1.html
In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World
Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats,
CEOs and politicians gather "to address global issues."
Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. "What
if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal
risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?...
In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope
for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't
it our responsibility to bring this about?"
That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's words coming out. But
this is no fictitious Bond movie villain speaking - it is the man who
chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is Kofi Annan's senior adviser.
"This group of world leaders forms a secret society to bring about an
economic collapse," continued Strong, warming to his fantasy. "It's
February. They're all at Davos. These aren't terrorists.
"They're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the world's
commodities and stock markets. They've engineered, using their access
to stock markets and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they
prevent the world's stock markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They hire mercenaries who hold the leaders at Davos as hostage. The
markets can't close..."
Strong catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like
this."
But is fantasizing about holding the world hostage, like Dr. Evil in
an Austin Powers movie, any less strange than Strong's other solutions
to environmental problems?
In 1972, as Strong organized the first environmental conference for
the UN, he granted an interview to the BBC. "I am convinced the
prophets of doom have to be taken seriously," he said.
http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/GeneralForum/1115.shtml
An excerpt from the article:   In 1990, Strong told a reporter a
fantasy scenario for the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos,
Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats, CEOs and politicians gather "to
address global issues." Strong, naturally, is on the board of the
World Economic Forum. "What if a small group of these world leaders
were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the
actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the
group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to
bring this about?" That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's
words coming out. But this is no fictitious Bond movie villain
speaking - it is the man who chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is
Kofi Annan's senior adviser. "This group of world leaders forms a
secret society to bring about an economic collapse," continued Strong,
warming to his fantasy. "It's February. They're all at Davos. These
aren't terrorists. "They're world leaders. They have positioned
themselves in the world's commodities and stock markets. They've
engineered, using their access to stock markets and computers and gold
supplies, a panic. Then, they prevent the world's stock markets from
closing. They jam the gears. They hire mercenaries who hold the
leaders at Davos as hostage. The markets can't close..." Strong
catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like this."
http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/mstrong2.htm
The Trilateral Commission recently published book, Beyond
Interdependence: The Meshing Of the WorId's Economy and the Earth's
Ecology. Rockefeller wrote the foreword and Maurice Strong wrote the
"This book couldn't appear at a better time, with the preparation for
the Earth Summit moving into gear... it will help guide decisions that
will literally determine the fate of the earth... Rio will have the
political capacity to produce the basic changes needed in our
international economic agendas and in our institutions of
governance."
Strong has established what could be the global headquarters for the
New Age movement in the San Luis Valley of Colorado at the foot of the
Sangre de Cristo Mountains near Crestone, Colorado. He and his
occultic wife, Hanne, call the Baca an international spiritual
community which they hope will serve as a model for the way the world
should be if humankind is to survive - a sort of United Nations of
religious beliefs. The Baca (as the center is called) is replete with
monasteries; the Haidakhrndi Universal Ashram, a Vedic temple where
devotees worship the Vedic mother goddess; amulet-carrying Native
American shamans; a $175,000 solar-powered Hindu temple; a mustard-
yellow tower called a ziggurat; a subterranean Zen Buddhist center
complete with a computer and organic gardens; a house full of
thousands of crystals; and even Shirley MacLaine and her New Age
followers.
In 1978, a mystic informed Hanne and Maurice Strong that "the Baca
would become the center for a new planetary order which would evolve
from the economic collapse and environmental catastrophes that would
sweep the globe in the years to come." The Strongs say they see the
Baca, which they call 'The Valley Of the Refuge Of World Truths '",as
the paradigm for the entire planet and say that the fate of the earth
is at stake. Shirley MacLaine agrees - her astrologer told her to move
to the Baca, and she did. She is building a New Age study center at
the Baca where people can take short week-long courses on the occult!
Apparently, the Kissingers, the Rockefellers, the McNamaras, the
Rothschild's, and other Establishment New World Order elitists all
agree as well, for they do their pilgrimage to the Baca - where
politics and the occult - the New World Order and the New Age - all
merge. Watch Maurice Strong and watch the Baca!
Much of the above information about the Strong and the Baca comes from
an interview entitled "The Wizard Of the Baca Grande," which Maurice
Strong conducted with WEST magazine of Alberta, Canada May 1990.
Strong concluded the interview with a thought provoking, apocalyptic
"Each year the World Economic Forum convenes in Davos, Switzerland.
Over a thousand CEOs, prime ministers, finance ministers, and leading
academics gather in February to attend meetings and set the economic
agendas for the year ahead.
What if a small group of these word leaders were to conclude that the
principle risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich
countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would
have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment.
Will they do it? Will the rich countries agree to reduce their impact
on the environment? Will they agree to save the earth?
The group's conclusion is 'no.' The rich countries won't do it. They
isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized
civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that
about?
This group of world leaders form a secret society to bring about a
world collapse. It's February. They're all at Davos. These aren't
terrorists - they're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in
the world's commodity and stock markets. They've engineered, using
their access to stock exchanges, and computers, and gold supplies, a
panic. Then they prevent the markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They have mercenaries who hold the rest of the world leaders at Davros
as hostage. The markets can't close. The rich countries...?" and
Strong makes a slight motion with his fingers as if he were flicking a
cigarette butt out of the window.
I sat there spellbound. This is not any story-teller talking. This is
Maurice Strong. He knows these world leaders. He is, in fact, co-
chairman of the Council of the World Economic Forum. He sits at the
fulcrum of power. He is in a position to do it.
http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/mstrong2.htm
from Donald McAlvany's book TOWARD A NEW WORLD ORDER
WHO IS MAURICE STRONG?
Maurice Strong is a man to watch!
The billionaire Canadian businessman is an employee of the United
Nations; an employee of the Rockefeller and Rothschild's trusts and
projects; a director of the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies;
the organiser of the first World Conference on the Environment in
1992; the founder and first head ofthe U.N. Environment Program; the
secretary general (and chief organizer) of the UNCED Earth Summit in
Rio in June 1992, and a leading socialist, environmentalist, New World
Order manipulator, occultist, and New Ager. In the mid-1980s, Strong
joined the World Commission on the Environment where he helped produce
the 1987 Brundtland Report widely believed to be the "incendiary"
which ignited the present "Green movement."
Strong, who spearheaded the Earth Summit, has complained that "the
United States is clearly the greatest risk to the world's ecological
"It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the
affluent middle-class... involving high meat intake, consumption of
large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, ownership of motor
vehicles, small electric appliances, home and work place air-
conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable... A shift is
necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmental damaging
consumption patterns."
Strong has forcefully advocated a new economic order based on the re-
distribution of the developed world's industries and wealth to the
Third World. Strong is indeed an arch socialist.
The Trilateral Commission recently published book, Beyond
Interdependence: The Meshing Of the WorId's Economy and the Earth's
Ecology. Rockefeller wrote the foreword and Maurice Strong wrote the
"This book couldn't appear at a better time, with the preparation for
the Earth Summit moving into gear... it will help guide ...
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In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World
Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats,
CEOs and politicians gather "to address global issues."
Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. "What
if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal
risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?...
In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope
for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't
it our responsibility to bring this about?"
That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's words coming out. But
this is no fictitious Bond movie villain speaking - it is the man who
chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is Kofi Annan's senior adviser.
"This group of world leaders forms a secret society to bring about an
economic collapse," continued Strong, warming to his fantasy. "It's
February. They're all at Davos. These aren't terrorists.
"They're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the world's
commodities and stock markets. They've engineered, using their access
to stock markets and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they
prevent the world's stock markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They hire mercenaries who hold the leaders at Davos as hostage. The
markets can't close..."
Strong catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like
this."
But is fantasizing about holding the world hostage, like Dr. Evil in
an Austin Powers movie, any less strange than Strong's other solutions
to environmental problems?
In 1972, as Strong organized the first environmental conference for
the UN, he granted an interview to the BBC. "I am convinced the
prophets of doom have to be taken seriously," he said.
http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/GeneralForum/1115.shtml
An excerpt from the article:   In 1990, Strong told a reporter a
fantasy scenario for the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos,
Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats, CEOs and politicians gather "to
address global issues." Strong, naturally, is on the board of the
World Economic Forum. "What if a small group of these world leaders
were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the
actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the
group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to
bring this about?" That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's
words coming out. But this is no fictitious Bond movie villain
speaking - it is the man who chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is
Kofi Annan's senior adviser. "This group of world leaders forms a
secret society to bring about an economic collapse," continued Strong,
warming to his fantasy. "It's February. They're all at Davos. These
aren't terrorists. "They're world leaders. They have positioned
themselves in the world's commodities and stock markets. They've
engineered, using their access to stock markets and computers and gold
supplies, a panic. Then, they prevent the world's stock markets from
closing. They jam the gears. They hire mercenaries who hold the
leaders at Davos as hostage. The markets can't close..." Strong
catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like this."
http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/mstrong2.htm
The Trilateral Commission recently published book, Beyond
Interdependence: The Meshing Of the WorId's Economy and the Earth's
Ecology. Rockefeller wrote the foreword and Maurice Strong wrote the
"This book couldn't appear at a better time, with the preparation for
the Earth Summit moving into gear... it will help guide decisions that
will literally determine the fate of the earth... Rio will have the
political capacity to produce the basic changes needed in our
international economic agendas and in our institutions of
governance."
Strong has established what could be the global headquarters for the
New Age movement in the San Luis Valley of Colorado at the foot of the
Sangre de Cristo Mountains near Crestone, Colorado. He and his
occultic wife, Hanne, call the Baca an international spiritual
community which they hope will serve as a model for the way the world
should be if humankind is to survive - a sort of United Nations of
religious beliefs. The Baca (as the center is called) is replete with
monasteries; the Haidakhrndi Universal Ashram, a Vedic temple where
devotees worship the Vedic mother goddess; amulet-carrying Native
American shamans; a $175,000 solar-powered Hindu temple; a mustard-
yellow tower called a ziggurat; a subterranean Zen Buddhist center
complete with a computer and organic gardens; a house full of
thousands of crystals; and even Shirley MacLaine and her New Age
followers.
In 1978, a mystic informed Hanne and Maurice Strong that "the Baca
would become the center for a new planetary order which would evolve
from the economic collapse and environmental catastrophes that would
sweep the globe in the years to come." The Strongs say they see the
Baca, which they call 'The Valley Of the Refuge Of World Truths '",as
the paradigm for the entire planet and say that the fate of the earth
is at stake. Shirley MacLaine agrees - her astrologer told her to move
to the Baca, and she did. She is building a New Age study center at
the Baca where people can take short week-long courses on the occult!
Apparently, the Kissingers, the Rockefellers, the McNamaras, the
Rothschild's, and other Establishment New World Order elitists all
agree as well, for they do their pilgrimage to the Baca - where
politics and the occult - the New World Order and the New Age - all
merge. Watch Maurice Strong and watch the Baca!
Much of the above information about the Strong and the Baca comes from
an interview entitled "The Wizard Of the Baca Grande," which Maurice
Strong conducted with WEST magazine of Alberta, Canada May 1990.
Strong concluded the interview with a thought provoking, apocalyptic
"Each year the World Economic Forum convenes in Davos, Switzerland.
Over a thousand CEOs, prime ministers, finance ministers, and leading
academics gather in February to attend meetings and set the economic
agendas for the year ahead.
What if a small group of these word leaders were to conclude that the
principle risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich
countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would
have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment.
Will they do it? Will the rich countries agree to reduce their impact
on the environment? Will they agree to save the earth?
The group's conclusion is 'no.' The rich countries won't do it. They
isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized
civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that
about?
This group of world leaders form a secret society to bring about a
world collapse. It's February. They're all at Davos. These aren't
terrorists - they're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in
the world's commodity and stock markets. They've engineered, using
their access to stock exchanges, and computers, and gold supplies, a
panic. Then they prevent the markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They have mercenaries who hold the rest of the world leaders at Davros
as hostage. The markets can't close. The rich countries...?" and
Strong makes a slight motion with his fingers as if he were flicking a
cigarette butt out of the window.
I sat there spellbound. This is not any story-teller talking. This is
Maurice Strong. He knows these world leaders. He is, in fact, co-
chairman of the Council of the World Economic Forum. He sits at the
fulcrum of power. He is in a position to do it.
http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/mstrong2.htm
from Donald McAlvany's book TOWARD A NEW WORLD ORDER
WHO IS MAURICE STRONG?
Maurice Strong is a man to watch!
The billionaire Canadian businessman is an employee of the United
Nations; an employee of the Rockefeller and Rothschild's trusts and
projects; a director of the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies;
the organiser of the first World Conference on the Environment in
1992; the founder and first head ofthe U.N. Environment Program; the
secretary general (and chief organizer) of the UNCED Earth Summit in
Rio in June 1992, and a leading socialist, environmentalist, New World
Order manipulator, occultist, and New Ager. In the mid-1980s, Strong
joined the World Commission on the Environment where he helped produce
the 1987 Brundtland Report widely believed to be the "incendiary"
which ignited the present "Green movement."
Strong, who spearheaded the Earth Summit, has complained that "the
United States is clearly the greatest risk to the world's ecological
"It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the
affluent middle-class... involving high meat intake, consumption of
large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, ownership of motor
vehicles, small electric appliances, home and work place air-
conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable... A shift is
necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmental damaging
consumption patterns."
Strong has forcefully advocated a new economic order based on the re-
distribution of the developed world's industries and wealth to the
Third World. Strong is indeed an arch socialist.
The Trilateral Commission recently published book, Beyond
Interdependence: The Meshing Of the WorId's Economy and the Earth's
Ecology. Rockefeller wrote the foreword and Maurice Strong wrote the
"This book couldn't appear at a better time, with the preparation for
the Earth Summit moving into gear... it will help guide decisions that
will literally determine the fate of the earth... Rio will have the
political capacity to produce the basic changes needed in our
international economic agendas and in our institutions of
governance."
Strong has established what could be the global headquarters for the
New Age movement in the San Luis Valley of Colorado at the foot of the
Sangre de Cristo Mountains near Crestone, Colorado. He and his
occultic wife, Hanne, call the Baca an international spiritual
community which they hope will serve as a model for the way the world
should be if humankind is to survive - a sort of United Nations of
religious beliefs. The Baca (as the center is called) is replete with
monasteries; the Haidakhrndi Universal Ashram, a Vedic temple where
devotees worship the Vedic mother goddess; amulet-carrying Native
American shamans; a $175,000 solar-powered Hindu temple; a mustard-
yellow tower called a ziggurat; a subterranean Zen Buddhist center
complete with a computer and organic gardens; a house full of
thousands of crystals; and even Shirley MacLaine and her New Age
followers.
In 1978, a mystic informed Hanne and Maurice Strong that "the Baca
would become the center for a new planetary order which would evolve
from the economic collapse and environmental catastrophes that would
sweep the globe in the years to come." The Strongs say they see the
Baca, which they call 'The Valley Of the Refuge Of World Truths '",as
the paradigm for the entire planet and say that the fate of the earth
is at stake. Shirley MacLaine agrees - her astrologer told her to move
to the Baca, and she did. She is building a New Age study center at
the Baca where people can take short week-long courses on the occult!
Apparently, the Kissingers, the Rockefellers, the McNamaras, the
Rothschild's, and other Establishment New World Order elitists all
agree as well, for they do their pilgrimage to the Baca - where
politics and the occult - the New World Order and the New Age - all
merge. Watch Maurice Strong and watch the Baca!
Much of the above information about the Strong and the Baca comes from
an interview entitled "The Wizard Of the Baca Grande," which Maurice
Strong conducted with WEST magazine of Alberta, Canada May 1990.
Strong concluded the interview with a thought provoking, apocalyptic
"Each year the World Economic Forum convenes in Davos, Switzerland.
Over a thousand CEOs, prime ministers, finance ministers, and leading
academics gather in February to attend meetings and set the economic
agendas for the year ahead.
What if a small group of these word leaders were to conclude that the
principle risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich
countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would
have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment.
Will they do it? Will the rich countries agree to reduce their impact
on the environment? Will they agree to save the earth?
The group's conclusion is 'no.' The rich countries won't do it. They
isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized
civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that
about?
This group of world leaders form a secret society to bring about a
world collapse. It's February. They're all at Davos. These aren't
terrorists - they're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in
the world's commodity and stock markets. They've engineered, using
their access to stock exchanges, and computers, and gold supplies, a
panic. Then they prevent the markets from closing. They jam the gears.
They have mercenaries who hold the rest of the world leaders at Davros
as hostage. The markets can't close. The rich countries...?" and
Strong makes a slight motion with his fingers as if he were flicking a
cigarette butt out of the window.
I sat there spellbound. This is not any story-teller talking. This is
Maurice Strong. He knows these world leaders. He is, in fact, co-
chairman of the Council of the World Economic Forum. He sits at the
fulcrum of power. He is in a position to do it.
The Earth Summit
"The Earth Summit must establish a whole new basis for relations
between rich and poor, North and South including a concerted attack on
poverty as a central priority for the 21st century. This is now as
imperative in terms of our environmental security as it is on moral
and humanitarian grounds. We owe at least this much to future
generations, from whom we have borrowed a fragile planet called
Earth."
-Maurice Strong
Billed as the "mother of all summits," with up to 40,000 government
officials and environmentalists from 167 countries in attendance, the
June 4-14 Earth Summit was the biggest gathering of world leaders ever
held. Described by Time magazine as a "New Age carnival," the summit
(and related activities) was attended by the Dalai Lama of Tibet,
thousands of New Agers and occultists (including John Denver and
Shirley MacLaine), numerous leftist groups, and virtually every
environmental group in the world - 7,892 non-governmental
organizations from 167 countries.
As the Wall Street Journal said: "The summit on Mother Nature was
asking: 'What is needed to save the world and how much is the world
willing to do to save itself?'" The Audubon Society called the Earth
Summit "the most important meeting in the history of mankind", and
"Nothing less than the fate of the planet is at stake... No place on
the planet can remain an island ofaffluence in a sea of misery...
We're either going to save Ihe world or no one will be saved. I think
we're at a real point of civilizalion change. We must, from here on
in, all go down the same path... There may not be another chance."
The Rocky Mountain News, in a May 31, 1992 article entitled "Agenda
"Who is killing planet earth? Styrofoam-crushing, beef-eating,
gasoline-guzzling, air conditioner-blasting Americans and their
partners in the developed nations? Rain forest-razing, sewer-fouling,
baby-booming peasants of the Third World? Air-poisoning, river-
killing, radioactive waste-leaking, dirty coal-burning denizens of
formerly communist Eastern European countries? All of us are killing
planet earth! "
Many environmentalist leaders touted the summit as an ecological
Bretton Woods, just as world leaders crafted the post-World War II
international financial system in New Hampshire, the leaders of the
post-Cold War era would lay the foundations for the "era of
sustainable development." Lester Brown, president of Worldwatch
Institute, said: "I think when we look back we will see the Rio
conference as the event that marked the end of an era and the start of
a new one." "
The Goals Of the Rio Earth Summit
The June Earth Summit in Rio was not just about the pseudo-
environmental crisis; it was not just about clean air, clean water,
acid rain, global warming, or endangered species: it was about massive
wealth redistribution from the industrial countries (i.e., the North)
to the Third World countries (i.e., the South) - from the rich to the
poor countries. It was about massive global socialisn people control,
and world government. It was also an unprecedented global media
platform, for militant anti- American eco-propaganda with emotional
diatribes about America's alleged crimes against the global
environment.
The summit was concerned with writing a World Constitution which will
deal with ways and means of eliminating pollution; cutting down the
alleged "global warming"; cutting down on the emission of carbon
dioxide; stalling the rate of ozone depletion; adopting plans to
prevent overpopulation, acid rain, nuclear fallout, and to promote
clean water and clean air; and depriving landowners ofthe right to use
their land in any manner other than that permitted by UNCED or its
A Massive Global Wealth Redistribution Scheme - Maurice Strong and
other summit leaders are demanding a $625 billion a year (for a
decade) wealth transfer from the so-called wealthy countries
(epitomized by the U.S.) to the so-called poor countries-with $125
billion per year coming from America. The U.S. is being pushed to
contribute $70 billion per year to this Third World Green fund (this
is in addition to the $55 billion we already pour out annually to
developing nations).
Imposition Of a System Of Global Environmental Regulation - including
onerous taxes on energy fuels, and on the populations of the United
States and other industrialized nations. The developed countries
should limit production and consumption, and cut back dramatically on
the use of the automobile, electrical appliances, air conditioning,
etc. The same formula for "sacrifice by the rich nations to save the
planet" was summarized well some 12 years earlier by Kansas Senator
James P. Pearson, who said: "Profits must be cut, comforts reduced,
taxes raised, sacrifices endured."
Elimination Of Property, Hunger, and Disease In The Third World - Only
if these are eliminated, the environmentalists say, will the poor
Third Worlders stop polluting planet earth.
Establishment Of a Global Environmental Protection Agency - to
duplicate the efforts of the American EPA on a worldwide basis and
prosecute environmental crimes on a global basis.
Population Control - is high on the Green agenda, although the issue
was low-profiled at the Earth Summit. Strict population control is
high on the agenda of UNCED and the Green movement. As the Greens see
it, there are too many people on Mother Earth (and the 5.4 billion
will double in the next 10 to 15 years); the more people there are,
the more pollution there is; the more highly- developed the people
are, the more resources they consume. So, one of UNCED and the Greens'
chief goals is to restrict population growth by whatever means
possible. Biology professor Garrett Harden (an influential Green
"lt is a mistake to think that we can control the greed of mankind in
the long run by an appeal to conscience. . . . The only way we can
cherish and nurture other and more precious freedoms is by
relinguishing the freedom to breed, and that very soon."
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