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New Bahai denomination
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All Bad
2008-02-04 12:27:59 UTC
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I have this impression that Nima took Ayahuasca and advocated it here on
TRB. I don't see how Baha'is would take a psychoactive substance to aid
them experience God. I would expect prayerbooks to be the material step on
the spiritual path. It looks like these people have made Ayahuasca a
sacrament. This seems to me to be inconsistent with what Baha'u'llah
taught.

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Viv
2008-02-04 13:14:08 UTC
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Pat,

It looks a bit like the so-called "Reform Baha'i Faith", one person
with fixed ideas masquerading as a denomination.

I wonder who provided their website?

Viv.
383
2008-02-05 02:06:00 UTC
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http://www.latimes.com/features/magazine/la-tm-ayahuasca.02feb3,1,611...
www.aurorabaha.org
I have this impression that Nima took Ayahuasca and advocated it here on
TRB.
And then like everything I have ever advocated, you cultists make a
corrupted version of it in order to neutralize it, since nothing you
do has any authenticity or originality to it. Aurora Baha, Andrew
Carter's Baha'iyya, Starr Saffa Tahirih Thealogy, these are all things
spawned in their original, pristine formulaic form by me.

I know this idiot quite well. He briefly communicated with me on your
agencies behest back in 2006. Interesting that an ultra-rightwing war
mongering Fascist newspaper such as the LA Times takes up his story,
mentioning in the process that this Seven Thunders' activities are
located in the posher suburbs of San Diego, a locus for wealthy Haifan
Bahaim going all the way back to the late 1970s. It is pretty obvious
to me where his funding comes from, if there was any doubt before.

In any case, those who wish to have an authentic experience, stay well
away from this charlatan. Either go to South America or find one of
the 2 official churches to take it with. Opening oneself to the Divine
Energies of the Kosmos, the Pure Spirit, should not be placed in the
hands of such scum as this. At the end of 2006, this quack was
revealed as a fraud on the Ayahuasca boards of tribe.net.

W
383
2008-02-05 02:12:55 UTC
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383
2008-02-05 02:14:13 UTC
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His post in December 2006 on the tribe.net ayahuasca boards where he
claimed his ancestry as something else and then when I showed up,
deleted it:

"I am of Taino descent born in the Quisqueya/Hispaniola, the first
place in modern history where the use of the Sacrament (in the form of
Cahoba) was recorded, in 1496. I became a Pipe-Carrier in 1996 and had
Hambleche on Bear Butte with a Lakota Sun Dance chief; Keeper of the
Elks Altar (this elder is well known by the Altar he Keeps). I
acquired my pipe-stone directly at the quarry in Minnesota and carved
both the pipes which I now carry. I began to work with the Shipibo-
Conibo in 2001, and was given Camalongo as a plant to diet with -
hence I became a Camalongero; In March of 2002, in the Peruvian
Amazon, I received the Fire Altar of Purification of the Eagle and the
Condor when the Pipe and Ayahuasca were brought together; I was later
initiated as an Ayahuasquero. A banco (bench), serving as a specific
function and tool of the Mother, is always bestowed by La Divina Madre
Herself - a matter clear to those who have sat in ceremonies with one.
"

The thread is here: http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/82db6f81-9517-4572-8c4d-ba945ea96783
383
2008-02-05 02:16:32 UTC
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In private email to me:

"So back to the essentials. I was introduced to the Bab and
Baha'u'llah completely by accidently back in 1993; however, as I
later
understood, not by the mainstreem Baha'is. There was something about
this Doctrine that rung true, so I started to investigate. By 1994, I
was interested in exploring more deeply and went to learn more of the
Baha'i doctrine from the teacher of the person who had introduced me.
Oh dear God, what was that for! Before I knew it I was caught between
a student and a teacher both making claims to the same thing and
spewing venom on one another. This before I hardly had any deepening
in these matters, having come from a mostly esoteric/occult
background.

By 1996, while working with certain native american tribes I took an
apprenticeship with a Lokata Medicine Man. Little did I know but his
primary sponsor in the mundane things of life was a Native American
Baha'i family - Mainstream Baha'i. My apprenticeship lasted until
1999, however my relations with this family lasted until 2003. Though
there were times when I would pose questions to them regarding the
Baha'i Faith, most of my dealings were related to the medicine ways.
The main reason for this is that given the expereinces I had already
had with 'Baha'is', I thought it best to observe and study quiety and
privately. More-over there was such incongruity between what they did
and what they preached, that I thought it prudent.

Off the chronology, I will also mention that in 1998, I went to live
in Egypt for a few months, and at that time took the opportunity to
visit Haifa & etc...Obviously not as a Baha'i 'Pilgrim', but just a
regular person interested in learning. When I arrived at Akka, the
day I went to the Shrine of Ali Nuri, Ruhiya Khanum was there
visiting. At first the guards were incredibly rude to me, and
suggested that I go visit the gardens as that was what people
preferred to do there.

What this guard did not know, is that while in Egypt, the medicine
man
and his Baha'i apprentice brought me an internal memo from the
Baha'is
of Canada written back in 1984 by Ruhiya Khanum. In this letter she
discussed the significance of the Native Americans to the unfoldment
of the Work as well as the beauty and significance of the Peace Pipe.
She also admoinishes those Persian Baha'is who as she says,
"Continuously miss the Bus" in there total lack of respect for the
customs of the Natives. She instructs the Persians to not as so much
as go near a Native if they are unable to respect them.

I found the guard to be so calous, that I pulled out this letter and
began to read it to the him. Naturally, he fell silent, and called
upon the Shrine Keeper. The Shrine steward was a nice enough man, who
told me that after Ruhiya left he would allow me into the shrine
alone. I showed him the letter, and the Peace Pipe which I carried.
I think this is a pretty significant story...Ruhiya died about 1-1
1/2
years later.

By 2000, I was introduced to Grandmother Ayahuasca, and this changed
everything as it represented a unification of many things in my life.
Then, in June of 2001, something very significant happened, which in
my view is the True fullfilment of Mustaghath. Around the first week
of June of 2001 I began to unexpectly have very profound dreams that
demanded I persue what I refer to as a golden thread. I researched,
and research and researched for weeks, until I found the Prophecy of
Mustaghath, and I knew this was what I was looking for...But I did
not
know why. So I kept at it, until I found the answer, which is this:
On June 21, 2001, the Summer Solstice, the first Total Solar Eclipse
of the Millenium Occured. For all those that debated whether 2000 or
2001 was the first year of the millenium, this provided the answer.
In 2000 there were NO full solar eclipses, and the very first Solar
Eclipse of 2001 occurred exactly on the Summer Solstice. This
represented a seeding into the Earth of a new Current of Light - the
Light of He who is Invoked.

During this period, I was shown a prophecy of a great cataclysm, and
that it would occur within "ONE QUARTER turn of the Sun" from
Mustaghath...Namely by September 21, 2001. I told several of the
elders and my family about the prophecy. We all know what happened.
Needless to say, that even with "fore-knowledge", if we can call it
that, it struck me as a great surprise."
383
2008-02-05 02:36:34 UTC
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Post by All Bad
http://www.latimes.com/features/magazine/la-tm-ayahuasca.02feb3,1,611...
www.aurorabaha.org
I have this impression that Nima took Ayahuasca and advocated it here on
TRB. I don't see how Baha'is would take a psychoactive substance to aid
them experience God. I would expect prayerbooks to be the material step on
the spiritual path. It looks like these people have made Ayahuasca a
sacrament. This seems to me to be inconsistent with what Baha'u'llah
taught.
Husayn 'Ali Nari was inconsistent in word and deed, so nothing new
there. One thing is a surety, however. Bahaim will do anything for
survival.

W
Jeffrey
2008-02-05 03:50:58 UTC
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http://www.latimes.com/features/magazine/la-tm-ayahuasca.02feb3,1,611...
www.aurorabaha.org
I have this impression that Nima took Ayahuasca and advocated it here on
TRB. I don't see how Baha'is would take a psychoactive substance to aid
them experience God. I would expect prayerbooks to be the material step on
the spiritual path. It looks like these people have made Ayahuasca a
sacrament. This seems to me to be inconsistent with what Baha'u'llah
taught.
Husayn 'Ali Nari was inconsistent in word and deed, so nothing new
there. One thing is a surety, however. Bahaim will do anything for
survival.
W
I think it would be good for some of these Baha'is to take Ayahuasca.
Maybe they will overcome their spiritual blindness.

Jeffrey
383
2008-02-05 06:49:23 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey
I think it would be good for some of these Baha'is to take Ayahuasca.
Maybe they will overcome their spiritual blindness.
Jeffrey
No doubt. Larry and I once fantasized about kidnapping the men on the
hill and putting them through a week long Tea ceremony and then
afterwards releasing them. The Hill of Doom would never be the same
again and world would never be the same again to these men ;-)

In any case, I know this San Diego crowd who are patronizing Mr Wolf
Seven Thunders..cough...white boy from Texas playing Indian Medicine
Man. The ayahuasquero community worldwide is a small but tight crowd.
People talk. People know people who have been to his circles. People
know people who are facilitating and financing his circles in S.
California. I was pretty surprised myself (actually 'shocked') when I
learned who some of these people were. You would be too, but no names
need be mentioned here. Let them know that I know who they are.

First rule of thumb about Ayahuasca and self-proclaimed shamans of the
She-Brew, not to mention the Ayahuasca Tourism itself: there are
unfortunately many, many scheisters and charlatans around this work
who are in it purely for the $$$ or the social connections, prestige
or what have you. Second rule of thumb: when the LA Times runs an
article on the Tea with a complete nobody in the Ayahuasca world such
as this Lobo/Wolf taking prominent place - esp. when the UdV, PaDeva
and Santo Daime churches are longer established and whose reps. are
better socially positioned to be the spokespersons for the She-Brew in
the US - be extremely suspicious as to the underlying motives and
agendas behind such a thing!

W

Darrick
2008-02-04 17:58:23 UTC
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Moses saw "the Angel of the LORD" after earting "thorn apples"; the
fruit of a plant that grows on the slopes of mountains in the southern
Jordanian deseret area known as "Midian". The thorn-apples "burns" the
tongue, and creates hallucinations (i.e. makes one see other
dimensions).

An "hallucination" is not mere "imagination" but rather it is one
seeing into another dimension.

The "burning bush" is really "the bush that burns" in Hebrew. When it
says in Hebrew, "And the Angel of the LORD appeared in the bush,
but the bush was not consumed" it says in Hebrew, "And the Messenger
of I AM/I WAS/I WILL BE appeared in the bush that is not eaten"

Moses ate a thorn-apple which is a "hallucinigenic" which caused him
to be able to see into the Spiritual dimension; just like ayahuasca.



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Shahriar
2008-02-04 19:57:21 UTC
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Looks like an offshoot of reformbaha denomination, at least this guy admits
he is on drugs.
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383
2008-02-05 02:07:31 UTC
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